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I need help understanding Class D heads.

Where can I find this very valuable information?

You can't. For one thing either the search here has problems or my laptop does. I'm sure I rebooted it last year. Won't let me add a search by username.

An even bigger reason is because my dain bramage remembered the wrong model series. You already were involved in that thread. I'm guessing the reason to discontinue are pretty similar.

Mesa Just Killed the M6, M9, And Walkabout amps.

Sorry for the mixup.

This thread is half way between a train wreck and a tyre fire, yet I just can't bring myself to look away.

Did the OP get the answers he was after in the end? Poor dude just wanted to stand on some cabs.

Yah, I think he mentioned three 4 x 10's, stage props were brought up, etc., but by now he's aged enough he might better get a bunch of 2 X 10's so he can arrange them like stairs and step up rather than jump. Don't want another old rocker with a broken hip.
 
Yah, I think he mentioned three 4 x 10's, stage props were brought up, etc., but by now he's aged enough he might better get a bunch of 2 X 10's so he can arrange them like stairs and step up rather than jump. Don't want another old rocker with a broken hip.

No kidding! Stage props have some safety built in. Stability. Look more dangerous than they actually are.

A good amp on the side of the stage, with mic or di to foh. And iem to hear the mix no matter where on the props you are standing.

Class-ab for iem is fine, but you'll get better battery life with class-d
 
Tube amps do not need huge transformers for filament/heater voltage/current... in fact this is the ideal use for a switchmode power supply.
I'm not positive, but I swear I read about a tube bass amp that had a switchmode PS.
Though in hindsight, I think whomever posted that thought a toroid meant it was switchmode.

God, imagine if you could get your SVT or Bass 400 retrofitted with a swtich mode PS?
Then it would only weigh half a ton!
 
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How in the world have I ever managed to play bass for the past 49 years with much less than 3000 watts and only blown 1 speaker? And, it wasn't a power spike that did it, it was too much beer. :)

Love this. I still have my 50W 1967 Fender blackface Bassman, and with an efficient cab it would work for more than half the gigs I play. Not everyone is silly enough to make everyone's ears bleed. I have attended a number of so-called "professional sound" shows where the audio was awful, muddy and impossible to follow because it was simply too d**n loud!

My Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.2 peaks at 375W into 8 ohms, and I use perhaps 30% of its volume range...ever.
 
I totally get what your saying here.
I can easily get away with 200w into a 2x12 if I have FOH support. But without FOH, with a drummer who does not have have good dynamics control, that can get to be a challenge - and we have not even started to consider guitarists with double stacks, and keyboard players and horn sections etc etc
I'd rather have the power and potential and not need it, than the other way around.
 
Yes, much of the developing state of the art technologies are sequestered in "No Such Agency" programs. This has always been the case, though we were not as quick to export the technology behind the technology back then.
Collin Radio in Iowa.
Harris in Illinois.
Both domestic companies on the leading edge for broadcast and civilian/military avionics RF.
Collins spun off Continental for broadcast.
My first FM transmitter was a Collins.
Harris spun off GatesAir.
That's what I have for FM transmitters now. They are also big in TV transmission.
Nautel, Canadian, is another top notch Transmitter builder.
There are several other, smaller domestic RF broadcast manufacturers.
We even had McMartin transmitters right here in River City.
 
I think that thread is a headache generator on its own.... I tried to understand some of the answers here, and I feel I lost some parts of my brain.
I feel the same way sometimes and I've worked for 45 years as an electronics tech.
What I do when I feel that way is to pick out one piece of it all. Bone up on it a bit more (Wiki or Google is your friend if nothing else.) The next time it comes around, you'll be just a bit closer to being ahead of the curve on that and can put a bit more into the next word from the wizards.
 
I dont think o know it all i think you think youDO know it all. In fact your review of the vox ac 30 is really incorrect. Its a class a amp. It burns up tubes quickly. Just as the single el34 powered amp i had rqn the tube wide open all the time. Ok? So what you are insulting me with is not enrtirely true. Maybe if you had more actual experience with living with the different tube amps you might know more than theory. A phase inverter causes an inversion of the out put signal to be 180° out of phase. Thus using one 6L6 in a two 6L6 circuit for an on phase output signalfor 1/2 the output and the other to do the second half of the output work. Thus only using 1/2 the tubes output and burning the heater or filament 1/2 or less as hot to produce more power. Now, tell me all about class D amps and how they operate. Ok? Sorry this probably about the 9th time ive been through this with an "expert" and im thinking we are on the same page with a different path to the truth and i dont appreciate being told i dont know something that i do in fact know and just dont have the pretty words to explain. Ok?

No, actually if you were to understand how the output stage of the AC30 worked, you would easily discover why it's not a class A amp. I actually have a lot of experience with this topology, and have designed amps using modified versions of it.

Here's a technical description that also includes the discussion of conduction angle: Is the Vox AC-30 Really Class A?

Your understanding of filament voltage/current has no relationship to any reality that I am aware of. It just doesn't work this way.

Your discussions show crystal clearly that you don't even understand the basics of how this stuff works, and obviously you are way too stubborn to consider that some of us here who have both the education AND the experience designing these very amps just might understand what they are saying. Yeah, really. If you understood it, you could explain it factually and without violating the basic laws of science and physics.

So the mesa boogie power circuitry or topological design has been discontinued? Thats very bad. I will now be advising people there are no decent bass amps for sale with decent performance below 4,000$ tell mesa thats very bad for all of us. There is however a very good circuit using mosfets from eden/david/nemesis that has very good tone for a transistor amp. Thatnks. Sorry mesa killed an amazing amp line.

Yes, the WA and Carbines have been on the market for over 10 years and it's time to move onto something different. There are PLENTY available on the used market, and there are folks who are finding that some of the newer amps (including class D) to be a better fit for their current needs. If that doesn't work for you, then please feel free to explore other options offered by different companies. Trust me, we won't be in the least bit offended.

Where can I find this very valuable information?

I believe it was discussed in the walkabout Megathread, as well as here: Mesa Just Killed the M6, M9, And Walkabout amps.

I'm not positive, but I swear I read about a tube bass amp that had a switchmode PS.
Though in hindsight, I think whomever posted that thought a toroid meant it was switchmode.

God, imagine if you could get your SVT or Bass 400 retrofitted with a swtich mode PS?
Then it would only weigh half a ton!

Indeed, there have been a few SMPS based tube amps manufactured, they also exist in the broadcast transmitter and industrial fields. Going from memory, I think both Peavey (VB-3) and Crate (V-50???) had one for a while.
 
You and me both! However, we can take heart in the fact that technology seems to be evolving so rapidly these days that even the quick study crowd is having trouble keeping up. :thumbsup:
I am forever struggling to stay current these days as well. Coffee and (design) trade magazines diet.
 
I'm pretty sure my re-capped and re-tubed (1965?) Blackface Bassman benched at 35 watts.
Great tone; not much power.


Love this. I still have my 50W 1967 Fender blackface Bassman, and with an efficient cab it would work for more than half the gigs I play. Not everyone is silly enough to make everyone's ears bleed. I have attended a number of so-called "professional sound" shows where the audio was awful, muddy and impossible to follow because it was simply too d**n loud!

My Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.2 peaks at 375W into 8 ohms, and I use perhaps 30% of its volume range...ever.
 
I will now be advising people there are no decent bass amps for sale with decent performance below 4,000$
If that is meant to be 4000 US dollars, you may want to rethink your message. There are in fact many outstanding bass amps for about a quarter that price (or less) that can be had with multiyear warranties (some even transferable...check the Mesa website for details). Even many of the fancy tube units out there can be had for under $4K.

While we don't all listen for the same things or even desire the same things in a bass amp, cab or even instrument, $4000 buys a lot of quality these days and will allow you to choose from a broad range of capability, features, and voicing. It's best not to get hung up a specific technology or topology, just listen for what you like. If that tone typically comes from tubes, solid state, or some hybrid, it's not big deal as long as what you buy is reliable and meets your needs.

It's important to recognize that two amps designed around identical topologies and using many identical components may sound very different. Most restaurants use pretty much the same ingredients, but it's the skill of the chef that turns them into meals that build an award winning reputation. Bass amp design is a lot more than cookbook recipes and good components, it's intimate knowledge of all the tools of the trade, innovation, a broad range of subject matter competence and years of experience. When you look at the whole picture, this is great time to be a bass player and it doesn't take a lot of cash to have an outstanding rig...I hope you find what you're looking for.
 
Here's a technical description that also includes the discussion of conduction angle: Is the Vox AC-30 Really Class A?
Love the conclusion disclaimer following the referenced analysis:

"The above circuit analysis will result in predictable discomfort for anyone who firmly believes the Vox AC-30 and it's clones are really class A. The author is not responsible for any gnashing of teeth, tearing of hair, or other general bitching and moaning resulting from having read this article.

Furthermore, the author refuses to get sucked into any petty bickering and arguing about the subject, and will ignore any such attempts.

The author reserves the right to change his opinion regarding this matter at any time upon presentation of actual proof, mathematical or physical, that the Vox AC-30 is indeed class A, and will publicly admit his errors and grovel accordingly. If you have such proof, WHERE IS IT?"

Some people are grateful for detailed explanations that improve and/or increase knowledge and understanding. Others are defensive, hostile, and belligerent. Always interesting to see these contrasting dynamics thriving in the blogosphere.
 
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