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I predict I will be fired by the end of weekend

Experienced classic rock bass player - been searching for a band to join.

Posted this on CL and got a hit :

Experienced classic rock bass player looking for a band.

Any bands out there playing classic rock --

Stones, CCR, Tom Petty, ZZ Top. Maybe some Clapton/Cream or some Allmans or Skynyrd.

Could add some SRV, Black Crowes or a bunch of other stuff.

This has to be fun but the the goal should be to get enough songs down to play in front of people.

I was contacted by a guitarist and sent a list of 15 mostly standard classic rock tunes - Skynyrd, Doors, Zeppelin, Neil Young, Black Crowes, Z Top ... And 1 Poison song - "Nothing But a Good Time". I'm not a big 80s hair band fan but hey, it's only 1 song out of 15.

I knew most of the songs and only had to work on 3 or 4, and I learned the Poison song, so the initial meeting goes well and they ask me to continue with them. They play pretty well, the songs are stuff I like for the most part so I figure why not. There are 4 of them the drummer has played in other band with all of these guys - but not all at the same time. All good until group texts and next 2 meetings discussing new songs show the new ones to be mostly 80s hair band songs.

Singer suggests several 80s hair band songs - drummer immediate seconds those selections. I mention I'm not a fan and don't know any of those songs. Other guitar player and I mention a lot of classic rock songs that either somehow get vetoed or don't end up on any list. This happens both on session 2 and session 3. Session 3 was last night.

Not only that but we somohow lose one of the original 15 standard classic rock songs from the initial list every session.

This morning the singer group texts a proposed additional 10 song set list, asking our opinion. You guessed it, 7 of the 10 are by 80s hair bands - more Poison, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, Ratt and 1 song from a fake band from the movie Rock Star. Drummer immediately texts back - 'Yes'.

As I mention I'm not a fan but I know I'm not going to like every song we play so I'm OK with 1 or 2 per set but I'm not going to play a set with 70% of that stuff.

I could have been passive aggressive and just not learn the songs but after thinking about I decided to be upfront and tell them exactly that - That I'm not a fan - remind them that I told them that twice already and that I'm OK 1 or 2 per set but besides that I'm not on board with the new set list.

IME when a bass player complains about songs it is the kiss of death so I will be fired.

Not sure exactly how it will play out but I will probably be tagged as selfish and not a team player but it's really just a musical mismatch. I do feel marginalized as they didn't listen to my concerns the 1st 2 times I mentioned it, and a little mislead given the initial 15 songs but I have no hard feelings.


Sorry for the rant.

Same Scenario,180° different genres, I was asked to join/tryout for a classic rock cover band, they had about 10-20 song set list,mostly old 70-60s standards. Zeppelin, Beatles,Stones, Hendrix, deep purple. You know the same old ones,R 'N' R, come together, Foxy lady, Purple haze, etc. the guys seemed cool, older, 1 younger. My issue was I just backed out of the same situation Because of set stagnation IMO! I wanted to play Rock, But Newer, more Modern Stuff,Foo Fighters, STP, Alice in Chains, Nirvana and such. I was tired of going to see Live bands & hear the same old "Standards" It was BORING, A F!! No Offense but I Just thought lets set ourselves apart & play a more updated set! It would be a breath of fresh air! I wasnt asking to scrap the existing set just to sprinkle a couple of newer songs in, I didnt think that was unreasonable! but it got met with harsh resistance! I tried to plead my case , but fell on deaf ears! You think I asked them to change the entire set! so I felt it was time to move on. then the old band played a grand opening gig with 3 other bands, same style of music... that band wasnt anything special,just 4 guys playing the standard classic rock classics x3. I attended as part of my easing the transition to the new bass player. I guess that gig opened the eyes of the BL because the 3 other bands almost had the exact same set lists! IMO It was so BORING! None of them stood out! "Who wants to hear some Hendrix!" feigning excitement! The guitarist came up to me dejected "We gotta change our set", I used my time out/off to sharpen my chops & to learn new songs, I was planning on starting my own band that played newer music & some "Oldies" quite the opposite of what I had been playing. But like all band endeavors, it was hard finding like minded players, I had a singer, Lead guitarist, me(bass),but of course the Drummer was hardest to find, we tried out 3 none could break from their current bands, so it just fizzled out. The idea must have been pretty good because the singer & guitarist went on to join other already established bands, to my dismay. I concurred I must be the problem holding the band back so I backed off,& relagated myself to be just a bass player,Not BL, then Covid hit! and put every thing on hold! The singer's band became the most successful,but they were well established before they changed genres, only changing singers & new setlist. funny, because he was the most resistant to change styles!or the most stubborn, we had frequent arguments about it. like I was insulting his SO! He used to say People wanna hear the "hits" as if he wrote them! Now he sees the light, & we plan on starting something when this virus BS is finally over! He says, He likes to keep things fresh with bands, otherwise it gets boring.: D such a 180° turn. the old guitarist is bursting to play now! funny how things change!
GL, during my time trying to get things started I too had to keep my mind OPEN to new ideas, since I was asking them to be more open minded! I even learned some genres/styles I thought I would hate!( country, POP, & EDM) Ive learned to like Billie Eillish& taylor swift! you too must learn to be fluid, since bands are sooo Temporal! GL! sorry for the looong rant!
 
You put an add saying you want to play classic rock, and anymore 80's hair metal is classic rock. Plus, the 80's retro throwback thing is popular right now, it'll probably help with gigs. Also you're the new guy. IME and IMO the new guy gets the least say over things. You show up and stay quiet for the first few months until you earn the respect of the rest of the band. Now, that's not say you shouldn't have boundaries, or leave if it's not a good fit. I'm just thinking, how bad is it, really, to be in an 80's cover band?
 
Experienced classic rock bass player - been searching for a band to join.

Posted this on CL and got a hit :

Experienced classic rock bass player looking for a band.

Any bands out there playing classic rock --

Stones, CCR, Tom Petty, ZZ Top. Maybe some Clapton/Cream or some Allmans or Skynyrd.

Could add some SRV, Black Crowes or a bunch of other stuff.

This has to be fun but the the goal should be to get enough songs down to play in front of people.

I was contacted by a guitarist and sent a list of 15 mostly standard classic rock tunes - Skynyrd, Doors, Zeppelin, Neil Young, Black Crowes, Z Top ... And 1 Poison song - "Nothing But a Good Time". I'm not a big 80s hair band fan but hey, it's only 1 song out of 15.

I knew most of the songs and only had to work on 3 or 4, and I learned the Poison song, so the initial meeting goes well and they ask me to continue with them. They play pretty well, the songs are stuff I like for the most part so I figure why not. There are 4 of them the drummer has played in other band with all of these guys - but not all at the same time. All good until group texts and next 2 meetings discussing new songs show the new ones to be mostly 80s hair band songs.

Singer suggests several 80s hair band songs - drummer immediate seconds those selections. I mention I'm not a fan and don't know any of those songs. Other guitar player and I mention a lot of classic rock songs that either somehow get vetoed or don't end up on any list. This happens both on session 2 and session 3. Session 3 was last night.

Not only that but we somohow lose one of the original 15 standard classic rock songs from the initial list every session.

This morning the singer group texts a proposed additional 10 song set list, asking our opinion. You guessed it, 7 of the 10 are by 80s hair bands - more Poison, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, Ratt and 1 song from a fake band from the movie Rock Star. Drummer immediately texts back - 'Yes'.

As I mention I'm not a fan but I know I'm not going to like every song we play so I'm OK with 1 or 2 per set but I'm not going to play a set with 70% of that stuff.

I could have been passive aggressive and just not learn the songs but after thinking about I decided to be upfront and tell them exactly that - That I'm not a fan - remind them that I told them that twice already and that I'm OK 1 or 2 per set but besides that I'm not on board with the new set list.

IME when a bass player complains about songs it is the kiss of death so I will be fired.

Not sure exactly how it will play out but I will probably be tagged as selfish and not a team player but it's really just a musical mismatch. I do feel marginalized as they didn't listen to my concerns the 1st 2 times I mentioned it, and a little mislead given the initial 15 songs but I have no hard feelings.


Sorry for the rant.

Bands are not lifetime commitments. You were upfront with your expectations in regard to the music and shouldn't feel bad about severing. Time to move on.
 
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Some "hair band" album parts were recorded by studio musicians from different genres. Might be a good exercise to learn some new songs. No point in being miserable though.

I totally agree with you, but I will allow that others may not care if their band is widely liked and successful. My primary cover band is designed from the ground up with a song list specifically in the most marketable category. Doesn't matter if we like the music or not, we know that we are good at what we do and it's enjoyable playing to people who WANT TO HEAR YOU. So we do that. When I'm on stage, I like what the audience likes. Every time.

As I've aged and gotten more experienced with playing live music in the area we're operating in I've come around to the mindset of something like I see with the pro backing bands you'll see/hear on TV specials, The Voice etc. As a trying-to-be-as-professional-as-possible musician I'm willing to play a lot of stuff I'm not necessarily that crazy about but that is both interesting from a musical viewpoint and that challenges me as a musician, but more so as @Aric Keith so correctly stated "...that we are good at what we do and it's enjoyable playing to people who WANT TO HEAR YOU. So we do that...". That's what commercial success (however you want to define that) is about IMO. Some consider that as "selling out", I consider it being professional. No I won't do stuff I'm just completely uninterested in but I do enjoy the challenge of learning how to play stuff I might not have learned otherwise, plus I almost always learn something new from almost every song I add to the repertoire.

IF you want to play publicly on a regular basis you figure out what the audience wants and you give that precedence over whatever your own personal favorites may be. Generally it's not much of a compromise in my experience but as always YMMV. If you're more interested in doing Art-For-Art's-Sake that's OK too. Just don't wonder about and bitch about why you never get many bookings.
 
I feel like this is a common thing when you post an ad as a bassists. We're not as rare as drummers but not as common as guitarists. So you list what you want, and then people contact you and offer other stuff. I remember a few years back I posted an ad saying among other things I was happy with my life and didn't want to quit my job or go on tour, and I got an email from someone who was "hooked up with a big name producer and ready to record and tour." The OP's story seems more like bait-and-switch though.
 
Experienced classic rock bass player - been searching for a band to join.

Posted this on CL and got a hit :

Experienced classic rock bass player looking for a band.

Any bands out there playing classic rock --

Stones, CCR, Tom Petty, ZZ Top. Maybe some Clapton/Cream or some Allmans or Skynyrd.

Could add some SRV, Black Crowes or a bunch of other stuff.

This has to be fun but the the goal should be to get enough songs down to play in front of people.

I was contacted by a guitarist and sent a list of 15 mostly standard classic rock tunes - Skynyrd, Doors, Zeppelin, Neil Young, Black Crowes, Z Top ... And 1 Poison song - "Nothing But a Good Time". I'm not a big 80s hair band fan but hey, it's only 1 song out of 15.

I knew most of the songs and only had to work on 3 or 4, and I learned the Poison song, so the initial meeting goes well and they ask me to continue with them. They play pretty well, the songs are stuff I like for the most part so I figure why not. There are 4 of them the drummer has played in other band with all of these guys - but not all at the same time. All good until group texts and next 2 meetings discussing new songs show the new ones to be mostly 80s hair band songs.

Singer suggests several 80s hair band songs - drummer immediate seconds those selections. I mention I'm not a fan and don't know any of those songs. Other guitar player and I mention a lot of classic rock songs that either somehow get vetoed or don't end up on any list. This happens both on session 2 and session 3. Session 3 was last night.

Not only that but we somohow lose one of the original 15 standard classic rock songs from the initial list every session.

This morning the singer group texts a proposed additional 10 song set list, asking our opinion. You guessed it, 7 of the 10 are by 80s hair bands - more Poison, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, Ratt and 1 song from a fake band from the movie Rock Star. Drummer immediately texts back - 'Yes'.

As I mention I'm not a fan but I know I'm not going to like every song we play so I'm OK with 1 or 2 per set but I'm not going to play a set with 70% of that stuff.

I could have been passive aggressive and just not learn the songs but after thinking about I decided to be upfront and tell them exactly that - That I'm not a fan - remind them that I told them that twice already and that I'm OK 1 or 2 per set but besides that I'm not on board with the new set list.

IME when a bass player complains about songs it is the kiss of death so I will be fired.

Not sure exactly how it will play out but I will probably be tagged as selfish and not a team player but it's really just a musical mismatch. I do feel marginalized as they didn't listen to my concerns the 1st 2 times I mentioned it, and a little mislead given the initial 15 songs but I have no hard feelings.


Sorry for the rant.
Sounds to me like you and the other guitarist need to find another drummer and form your own band...
 
You put an add saying you want to play classic rock, and anymore 80's hair metal is classic rock. Plus, the 80's retro throwback thing is popular right now, it'll probably help with gigs. Also you're the new guy. IME and IMO the new guy gets the least say over things. You show up and stay quiet for the first few months until you earn the respect of the rest of the band. Now, that's not say you shouldn't have boundaries, or leave if it's not a good fit. I'm just thinking, how bad is it, really, to be in an 80's cover band?

I have no problem with 80s - there are a lot of good 80s tunes. My problem was that 70% of the new songs were Motley Crue, Posion and Ratt and that none of the suggestions from me or other guitarist make its to a list.
 
Some "hair band" album parts were recorded by studio musicians from different genres. Might be a good exercise to learn some new songs. No point in being miserable though.
I'm actually more surprised that this is going during a pandemic.

I enjoy learning new songs and learned some for the initial and 2 follow up sessions.

I did go and listen to the hair band songs they added top the list - seemed like a lot of 8th note roots so not sure how much there is too learn.

I was flexible and willing and happy to learn a couple of these per set but not 7 out of 10 new songs.
 
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Same Scenario,180° different genres, I was asked to join/tryout for a classic rock cover band, they had about 10-20 song set list,mostly old 70-60s standards. Zeppelin, Beatles,Stones, Hendrix, deep purple. You know the same old ones,R 'N' R, come together, Foxy lady, Purple haze, etc. the guys seemed cool, older, 1 younger. My issue was I just backed out of the same situation Because of set stagnation IMO! I wanted to play Rock, But Newer, more Modern Stuff,Foo Fighters, STP, Alice in Chains, Nirvana and such. I was tired of going to see Live bands & hear the same old "Standards" It was BORING, A F!! No Offense but I Just thought lets set ourselves apart & play a more updated set! It would be a breath of fresh air! I wasnt asking to scrap the existing set just to sprinkle a couple of newer songs in, I didnt think that was unreasonable! but it got met with harsh resistance! I tried to plead my case , but fell on deaf ears! You think I asked them to change the entire set! so I felt it was time to move on. then the old band played a grand opening gig with 3 other bands, same style of music... that band wasnt anything special,just 4 guys playing the standard classic rock classics x3. I attended as part of my easing the transition to the new bass player. I guess that gig opened the eyes of the BL because the 3 other bands almost had the exact same set lists! IMO It was so BORING! None of them stood out! "Who wants to hear some Hendrix!" feigning excitement! The guitarist came up to me dejected "We gotta change our set", I used my time out/off to sharpen my chops & to learn new songs, I was planning on starting my own band that played newer music & some "Oldies" quite the opposite of what I had been playing. But like all band endeavors, it was hard finding like minded players, I had a singer, Lead guitarist, me(bass),but of course the Drummer was hardest to find, we tried out 3 none could break from their current bands, so it just fizzled out. The idea must have been pretty good because the singer & guitarist went on to join other already established bands, to my dismay. I concurred I must be the problem holding the band back so I backed off,& relagated myself to be just a bass player,Not BL, then Covid hit! and put every thing on hold! The singer's band became the most successful,but they were well established before they changed genres, only changing singers & new setlist. funny, because he was the most resistant to change styles!or the most stubborn, we had frequent arguments about it. like I was insulting his SO! He used to say People wanna hear the "hits" as if he wrote them! Now he sees the light, & we plan on starting something when this virus BS is finally over! He says, He likes to keep things fresh with bands, otherwise it gets boring.: D such a 180° turn. the old guitarist is bursting to play now! funny how things change!
GL, during my time trying to get things started I too had to keep my mind OPEN to new ideas, since I was asking them to be more open minded! I even learned some genres/styles I thought I would hate!( country, POP, & EDM) Ive learned to like Billie Eillish& taylor swift! you too must learn to be fluid, since bands are sooo Temporal! GL! sorry for the looong rant!

I feel your pain. I have a friend out here in CO who used to send me set lists of whatever his new cover band was at the time every now and again. And it was always the same old boring sh!t. And exactly as you are describing here - except that you left out 'Hurts So Good' and '867-5309.' I will NOT play those 2 awful songs. I'd really like to understand who decides that people want to hear this boring old sh!t. I tell them don't give me this crap that people want to hear it. Most of the people paying to see you weren't even alive when those songs were on the radio. 'But, but....when we play it, people dance.' Of course they do. It's Saturday night. They're hammered and they're trying to get laid. If you played 'Chopsticks' they'd be doing the same thing. Wise up.

I used to wait tables back East at a place called Commonwealth Brewery. It was near TD Bank North Garden. And they had bands in the basement. The clientele was entertaining people coming back from Celts/B's games or concerts. And they used to have this band all the time called Search Party. And they didn't play one lick of that boring old sh!t. They would play Bob Marley, songs off of 'Graceland.' In fact, the bass player had a Sadowsky. It was the first time I ever heard of Sadowsky (this was mid 90's). Now I own 2.

Despite the fact that they didn't play one lick of that boring old sh!t, people would line up around the corner to see them - to see a cover band! I'm kidding. It wasn't despite the fact that they didn't play one lick of that boring old sh!t. It was because they didn't play one lick of that boring old sh!t that people lined up around the corner. I really think the reason that EVERYONE plays these stupid old songs - the dirty little secret - is that musicians are lazy, unambitious and lack any real vision 99% of the time. I know that isn't a very flattering portrait. But IMHO it's the reality.
 
You were willing to compromise and pick up some of their songs. They were not.

That's your answer. You're already feeling marginalized. That will only get worse over time. You won't have fun playing that stuff most of the time. That won't improve either. Save the time and wasted effort and let them know that's not your thing, you're not interested in the direction they're going. You could miss the right band that comes along while you're wasting time with that one.

Randy
 

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