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I would like a custom electric 4 string bass built

I tried to get the Fender custom shop and Dingwall to make me what I really wanted in an electric 4 sting bass, and both said no. HALO guitars can make it but they seem to send things to China to get built, which is OK, but they have a 1.4 year wait. How do I go about perhaps getting someone in the luthier's section here to make me what I really want?
 
What are your detailed specs? Maybe we can help identify a good fit. :thumbsup:


Now that is an easy question to answer as I already know! This is what I would like, and HALO can build it with my mods I list for that $2k, but like I mentioned, its 1.4 years away. I am very patient but 1.4 years is kinda stretching it and If I could find someone on this forum that I'm a part of, to build it, that would be fantastic.. I don't know how the actual painting goes, weather you/they/whomever would do it or would it need to be sent out, probably talk about that afterwards as I have another idea for paint color that wasn't in the selectable color chart on HALO's site.The nut has to be 43~44mm, like on my Jackson basses and it has white binding on the neck. Just plain light maple neck and fret board, satin finish, bolt on neck, frets like on my Jackson JS3. It doesn't matter to me the body wood, but then again, I really don't know what gives it that pretty 'grain' you see.
 

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Here on TalkBass, there are some strict rules on commercial activity. We're not supposed to be using TalkBass to bring in business. Here on Luthier's Corner, some of us are pros; we build basses for money. Many of the others are hobbyists, who build instruments for themselves for fun. We pros are allowed to show off our builds and our techniques as information, ideas and help for other Luthiers. Sharing ideas. You, as a potential customer, are welcome to read these threads for your own information and enjoyment. And ask technical questions, if you like. But, you aren't supposed to be openly soliciting business with us. That's the rules.

However, you can look through the threads here, and if you see a Luthier building something along the lines of what you want, you can PM (Private Message) them and ask if they are interested in building a bass for you. Then you guys can work it out, but keep it offline.

As a general guideline, not many Luthiers will take on full custom projects. If it's a variation on a design they already do, they may. Most pro Luthiers won't do radical customs of the customers' design.
 
Here on TalkBass, there are some strict rules on commercial activity. We're not supposed to be using TalkBass to bring in business. Here on Luthier's Corner, some of us are pros; we build basses for money. Many of the others are hobbyists, who build instruments for themselves for fun. We pros are allowed to show off our builds and our techniques as information, ideas and help for other Luthiers. Sharing ideas. You, as a potential customer, are welcome to read these threads for your own information and enjoyment. And ask technical questions, if you like. But, you aren't supposed to be openly soliciting business with us. That's the rules.

However, you can look through the threads here, and if you see a Luthier building something along the lines of what you want, you can PM (Private Message) them and ask if they are interested in building a bass for you. Then you guys can work it out, but keep it offline.

As a general guideline, not many Luthiers will take on full custom projects. If it's a variation on a design they already do, they may. Most pro Luthiers won't do radical customs of the customers' design.

Fair enough, thank you for letting me know all this.
 
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This will probably come as a terrible shock, but @Slidlow is right on the money - literally.

I'm not a luthier. I'm a wood-dorker. I don't word-dork for money because I'd go broke or else I'd have to turn it into something other than what I enjoy to barely not go broke. I remain open to finding a niche where that's not true, but I'm comfortable with the idea that I enjoy wood-dorking and don't want to ruin that by trying to accommodate cheapskate customers.

While you may think "$2000 is a lot of money for a bass, that should buy me some sweet custom" it's only a lot of money for an economy of scale factory cranking them out by the thousands bass - and not all that much if your factory workers are getting paid reasonable wages. Observe the prices of USA-built Fenders. They make them other places as well specifically to pay less for the labor and factory fixed costs, and the prices reflect that.

Full custom, you're dealing with an independent contractor - that means somebody who has to pay ALL the bills from whatever pittance they can get the customer to cough up for their blood, sweat and tears. No economy of scale. Having a place to work costs money 24/7/365 from rent or purchase and taxes and utilities and tools to work with in it. Building your project requires lumber and supplies and throwing away the reject lumber and... Paying themselves a living wage costs considerably more than most non-contractors understand - got a regular job? You only pay half your social security, and you probably get benefits either "for free" or at a steeply discounted group rate. Perhaps a retirement fund as well? A contractor gets to pay for all of that and often can't get a group rate or simply ends up uninsured, or has to have a regular "day" job to get benefits, or a spouse with a regular job they can get benefits from - because getting customers who will pay what it actually costs to build things full-custom in a first-world country is frequently difficult, particularly if you're desperate for some money to stay afloat and agree to work cheap just to get some money coming in at all, if you can't afford to wait for a customer who actually values your time and effort.

Say you were willing to pay "the astronomical price" of $50 an hour. So that entire thing has to get done in "one standard work week" of 40 hours (minus the cost to the luthier of all the parts and materials, which will eat up a good number of those hours). If the luthier actually makes $10 an hour after everything is paid for it's nearly a miracle, or not everything is being paid for. Not to mention having to work at a demonic pace to even make that much.

My opinion, and experience as a contractor in other lines of work.
 
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Yes, the project VolverseLoco is looking for isn't very complicated technically. The majority of us Luthiers here could build it. Most of us would quote $2500-$3500 for the job. That's a fair price estimate for the materials and labor that it would take to make a one-off custom bass like that.

But most of us with experience don't want to take custom jobs. They can be fun to do technically, but they usually end up being bad business deals. Too much risk of mistakes and reworks, and extra labor hours, and we end up making $2 hour. I speak from experience. I did many custom instrument jobs in the first 15 years of my Luthier career. They were enjoyable to stretch my technical skills, but not worth it from a business standpoint.
 
@VolverseLoco - Can we derail your thread and talk you in to trying to build something yourself? I promise it's not as hard as it sounds. :D

i was actually going to make a similar suggestion. A beginner, starting cold might be able to do this for $2000. Maybe less. Time is the more fluid factor.
 
I wasn't gonna chime in here, because I'm the last guy that "knows" about this stuff. But I do find it very interesting to read what some of the "pro" guys like Bruce and even others like T-Bone, dwizum and Slidlow say, especially since I find myself looking to some of these guys as the "gold standard" that I'm holding myself to.
I have had some friends see my work and ask me if I'd be interested in building something for them. I've passed on those offers though because the truth is, they would never pay what it would take just to break even. My current build I'm already in it roughly $600 in wood alone, I haven't tallied up the "parts list" yet because I'm not done but I suspect the final "full cost" of the build will easily be north of $1,500 and probably very close to $2,000 by the time I'm done. That's just materials, it doesn't count personal time or tools purchased to do the work, and I also know the things I "cheaped out" on (which may or may not get me some sideways looks later). So, looking at my example you can easily see that a $2,000 build, which takes roughly $1,500 in materials, means the builder would only make $500 at best. Divide that by a standard 40 hour work week (which we all know something like this would take much more than 40 hours) and you're basically saying that the builder would make $12.50 an hour for his time. That is less than the current minimum wage where I live. So yeah, I'd say if Halo can build it, you may be better off waiting the 1.5 years for delivery.

Or build it yourself. That's why I got started. ;)
 
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OP have you looked at Kiesel?
What you are looking for isn't too far off of the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] (customized). Kiesel offers Fan-Frets on other instruments, this seems pretty straight forward for his shop

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Jeff always emphasizes to "call his guys" there are all sorts of custom options he doesn't show on the site.
US built - I had one for a years, it was a great instrument
 
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So, looking at my example you can easily see that a $2,000 build, which takes roughly $1,500 in materials, means the builder would only make $500 at best. Divide that by a standard 40 hour work week (which we all know something like this would take much more than 40 hours) and you're basically saying that the builder would make $12.50 an hour for his time.

Factor in the fixed overhead costs of being able to stand in a room surrounded by tools and call yourself a luthier and that $12.50 probably becomes negative very quickly!

A complete one-off custom has a lot of easy-to-gloss-over time and risk involved. Some things are obvious, like the difference between slapping a template down and buzzing out a body versus having to draw and make a new template for a new body. But it's not just that obvious time, it's also time to understand process changes, workflow changes, and other challenges of doing something different from what you've done before. It's about the entire mental flow of building something new. Building a bass is a process, it's not just stamping out a finished product based on a design. A plan or a design doesn't really do anything except give you references for shapes and dimensions. The process itself needs to be designed, too. You need to know the order of the steps, what fixtures or tools are needed at each step, and so on. And then besides the literal time involved, there's a risk factor in doing something unknown, which can mean either quality/functional impacts to the finished product and/or lost time in rework. If you quote a fixed price up front for a build, you have no way to recoup those costs. It's one thing to quote a fixed price on a reliable and known design, but quoting an unknown means you've got to guess at what that fudge factor is.

And that's a part of the difference between a "custom shop" order like your web configurated example above versus having an independent builder do it from scratch. Web configurators are meant to give the impression that you're designing a bespoke custom instrument but really you're just choosing from a menu of well proven and already established options. It's cheap to pay an overseas CNC operator to call up programs from a catalog versus paying a craftsman to build something from scratch. The end product may seem the same but it's two very different cost models.

All that said, I'm sure you could find hobby builders who would love to work with you on this project, maybe even well within your budget, mostly because they will do it for fun and don't care about the financials (or they don't understand the financials, or they have themselves fooled into thinking they're making money when they really aren't). Doing something for fun is really freeing! You don't have to pay yourself for the handful of hours you spend mulling over a new design while you're sitting at a desk in an office at your day job. You don't have to pay for shop overhead when you already owned the tools and the shop is a corner in your basement. And all that "extra" work and risk of rework that would cause a full time pro to lose their shirt becomes an enjoyable escape. Of course, working with a hobby builder means it may be a little harder to get a judge on quality/reputation, and there probably won't be a warranty or any sort of official means for recourse if the deal goes sour, and so on. All something to consider - you get what you pay for in this world.

But as stated, builder solicitation is not the intention of this forum. Which, honestly, speaking as a hobby builder who sometimes gets approached about building for other people, is kind of nice - it takes the "pressure" off and lets us all focus on talking about building, instead of having to think about putting on a pretty face and talking to or competing over potential customers.

If you want to find builders, there are a ton of highly active groups on facebook where solicitations are the norm. You can find them by searching facebook groups for phrases like "custom guitars" or "handmade guitars" or things like that. You can join, watch what people post for a few days, and message people who are doing things you're in to. And there are a lot of sellers on Reverb who mention in their postings that they are open to custom work. You can find them by searching terms like "custom bass." Might want to check those places if you don't find someone through the "indirect" approach Bruce mentioned above.

...or just forget all that and build it yourself. :roflmao:
 
You know, reading all these replies, it makes sense, about the breakdown of actually making a 100% custom bass from scratch. Some of you guys remind me of my dad, who by the way is a top notch wood craftsmen. I have seen him make my mom beautiful pieces of antique era furniture from lumber that looked like it came from the Forrest, onto his joiner/planer and whatever else he had and I remember him telling me, son, your not going to get rich doing this kinda thing, so I only do it for your mother. He could have built me my bass, but like 10 years ago, really bad health now. Me, I couldn't do it with wood, as I took the metal work route as I really got emotionally attached to MIG/TIG welders and the things I could build with them. All what you say about labor, or shall I say 'labor of love' with regards to costs is true. Yes, one, myself included, thinks that $2000~$2500 is a lot in the immediate picture, but its not when you really read and listed to all whats involved. I get the idea too that a lot of wood craftsmen kinda steer away from this type of scratch build, like one guy said, because of unforseen issues that may arise out of such a build. I am really considering buying a 4 string Dingwall and just maybe 'growing up' a little and try to forget about my hockey stick reverse head stock I want. Could be time for new horizons with the new Dingwall, should I buy the pretty WhalePool blue one I like. But first I'm off to check out Kiesel, dont know much about them but certainly I remember Carvin, how could I not, I am an 80's metal head at heart..perhaps a reason why no one will build me my bass..LOL!!!
 
I'll throw in my $0.02 here....I commissioned a custom bass for my 40th birthday. I justified it by telling myself I deserved something special for such a milestone birthday. When I started discussions with my luthier, I threw out a rough budget of $2,000 to $2,500 and he basically laughed. I didn't even choose overly exotic options (body is mahogany, top is spalted maple, pickups are Aguilar Super Doubles, hardware is black - I cannot remember what brand the bridge is but the tuners are Hipshot). I picked up this bass back in June (about 2 weeks after my 42nd birthday). My luthier is a full-time teacher and builds in his spare time hence why it took so long. It was worth the wait, though. He built me an amazing instrument. I paid $3,400 for it....which, to me, is still a bargain considering the hours he put into building it (he estimated about 150 hours). The materials (wood, hardware, electronics, etc.) cost about $1,900 (which he didn't even mark up at all). So that means he built this bass for $10/hour. That isn't even minimum wage where I live (Ontario, Canada). At the end of the day, if you want something less expensive and quicker to build, compromises will have to be made. Since I was not really pressed to have my custom bass within a certain time frame, I told my guy to take as long as he needed. If I had some decent pictures, I would post some. I wanted a short-scale 5-string and I got one....and it is magnificent.