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Ideal Hofner knockoff

embellisher

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Anybody got experience with these?

There's one local to me for $190. The pickguard is missing, the bridge is not the original, and it's had the pots replaced with Hofner pots.

Worth it? Will it sound pretty close to a 60's Hofner?

Also, does anybody know whether whether these were made by EKO or Teisco? I'm finding conflicting information online.

Here's a couple of pics.

Thanks!

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+1 Hofner Ignition Series. Another option is the Jay Turser Beatle bass Clone. the overall construction is excellent, bound neck makes it a little nicer visually. The tuners work fine. The only downside is cheap electronics, but easily upgradeable. I did that on my son's Jay Turser, and its a great little bass, sound like a Hofner to my ears, at a fraction of the price. The Viola basses are solid body and don't sound much like a Hofner.
 
If the bass is structurally sound and all the components work. I would not have any problem rocking that, despite the nay sayers. If nothing else, for the vintage Greco vibe. If there is anything wrong with it at all, yes I would get anything newer like the Epiphone, Jay Turner, Brice, or Chinese made Horner's.

To my ear, all of these sound very close to a vintage Horner, including the one you are looking at.
 
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whether these were made by EKO or Teisco?
The tuners would indicate Japanese manufacture. I’m not aware of Eko branding their instruments with another badge for export, except maybe Vox, another European brand.
It’s probably not a bad bass, but those tuners can be a PITA if they don’t keep tune . I would buy that bass, but not for 190. I’d be a buyer at about half that- the price is too close to a new equivalent. Just my 2c.
 
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I have a fondness for the 60's Japanese cheap export model basses and guitars, I used to go to Sears in dowtown Philly and look at the fever-dream models they had in the Music Department. They looked cool as hell, but many were essentially unplayable, or needed some serious upgrading to get them useable. Never heard of that brand Ideal, but given how many different brand names the Japanese sold these guitars and basses under, with different paint schemes, hardware, electronics, etc. depending on the specific price range the retailer wanted, the chances of anybody around having played that specific bass brand is slim at best. If you like the looks, and the neck is still good, buy it. Might be worth upgrading, or a wall hanger, you won't know until you open the box. A buddy in High School bought a Japanese "Les Paul" copy through Sears Mailorder (allow 6-8 weeks for delivery!) with some hilariously bad sounding "built-in guitar effects". He ended up replacing all the electronics and tuners, but the basic construction was pretty good, solid mahogany body and neck, figured maple drop-top, ebony board, etc., so you never know.
 
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I stand corrected, thought the Viola were solid or semi hollow based on the weight alone. They do sound solid body though, not bad, just different than a Hofner.

No apology necessary. I only posted to inform others reading along vs. chastising anyone.

I had seen similar posts from many people before buying mine (used, quite the steal) that I believe were confusing the 'Viola' bass with the 'EB-1 Reissue Bass' (often called the 'Violin' bass)- which is indeed solid bodied, and features a single mudbucker and 3 point bridge. It also features painted-on F holes and a bolt on neck... Yuck (IMO).

Despite sharing a few of the anachronistic features that we have all come to love (?), the Epiphone seems to be constructed far more sturdily than the modern Hofner offerings that aren't exceptionally expensive, and perhaps that is why it feels heavier. It still weighs less than my Mustang though, and yet feels similar on a strap. And it also has a predictable VVT knob setup, unlike the strange Hofner circuit.

As a big fan of (a certain period) of MMW, I bought it to emulate Chris Wood's tone with his vintage Hofners. I have since learned a few important things, though...

1- Don't assume that you can put (medium scale) Chromes on them like I did. The pulling force of those strings is almost 40 more pounds per set than the Labella LTF option. I'm not so sure that the un-supported top of a Viola would like those Chromes over time...

2- The scale length isn't actually 30.5"- it's a bit less. There is a zero fret, but the measurement from the crown top of the 'zero' to the 12th fret is 15 1/8" (so a scale length of 30.25"). The measurement from the forward face of the Zero Nut 'nut' is indeed 15 1/4" to the crown of the 12th fret however, which is likely why Epiphone is claiming this to be a 30.5" scale. Lay a notched fretboard ruler over the neck and you'll see the same thing- it doesn't line up. Only a huge deal if you have fat fingers (I do) and plan on spending a lot of time higher than the 15th fret (I don't).

3- Full disclaimer= I live in a condominium setup (IE- there is a lot of stray electrical noise flying all about). The stock pickups / electronics are pretty noisy (since it can't be shielded via the traditional means of paint or foil). Yes, the stock pickup leads are shielded, but it is still very loud in places the Mustang is silent (full cavity shielding with MG paint, plus internally shielded EMG GZRs). Despite the cost being much more than I paid for the instrument, I am considering replacing the pickups for Bartolini models (the only internally shielding mini-hums I can find that fit into the same footprint).


After all of that, I apologize to the OP for vomiting too much unrelated information into his query.

Sorry, man
 
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If the bass is structurally sound and all the components work. I would not have any problem rocking that, despite the nay sayers. If nothing else, for the vintage Greco vibe. If there is anything wrong with it at all, yes I would get anything newer like the Epiphone, Jay Turner, Brice, or Chinese made Horner's.

To my ear, all of these sound very close to a vintage Horner, including the one you are looking at.
I meant Hofner 😊
 
1- Don't assume that you can put (medium scale) Chromes on them like I did. The pulling force of those strings is almost 40 more pounds per set than the Labella LTF option.
Wow, that sounded too much until I actually checked: the tension difference between the ECB81M set and the LTF-4A-M on a 30.25" scale platform is actually more than 50 pounds! (158.123 vs. 106.784 lbs.)
 
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Worth it? Will it sound pretty close to a 60's Hofner?
You said it's local. Go play it and see if it's worth it to you. If it sounds and plays good I'd snag it. IDK if I would pay asking price. I most likely would offer $150, and if I really like it I would pay $175 for it. Cool bass with some character.
Also, does anybody know whether whether these were made by EKO or Teisco? I'm finding conflicting information online.
Pretty sure made by Guyatone.
 
Wow, that sounded too much until I actually checked: the tension difference between the ECB81M set and the LTF-4A-M on a 30.25" scale platform is actually more than 50 pounds! (158.123 vs. 106.784 lbs.)

Crazy, right?

I bought the Chromes because I like them on my Mustang. I am having a hard time getting the neck to get the relief I would like into it (only ~.007 after about two weeks after coming into its new home). I had thought I should just put the Chromes on and let them help move the neck, but something made me go and check the tension specs.

Glad I didn't do that. So I ordered the Labellas instead
 
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No apology necessary. I only posted to inform others reading along vs. chastising anyone.

I had seen similar posts from many people before buying mine (used, quite the steal) that I believe were confusing the 'Viola' bass with the 'EB-1 Reissue Bass' (often called the 'Violin' bass)- which is indeed solid bodied, and features a single mudbucker and 3 point bridge. It also features painted-on F holes and a bolt on neck... Yuck (IMO).

Despite sharing a few of the anachronistic features that we have all come to love (?), the Epiphone seems to be constructed far more sturdily than the modern Hofner offerings that aren't exceptionally expensive, and perhaps that is why it feels heavier. It still weighs less than my Mustang though, and yet feels similar on a strap. And it also has a predictable VVT knob setup, unlike the strange Hofner circuit.

As a big fan of (a certain period) of MMW, I bought it to emulate Chris Wood's tone with his vintage Hofners. I have since learned a few important things, though...

1- Don't assume that you can put (medium scale) Chromes on them like I did. The pulling force of those strings is almost 40 more pounds per set than the Labella LTF option. I'm not so sure that the un-supported top of a Viola would like those Chromes over time...

2- The scale length isn't actually 30.5"- it's a bit less. There is a zero fret, but the measurement from the crown top of the 'zero' to the 12th fret is 15 1/8" (so a scale length of 30.25"). The measurement from the forward face of the Zero Nut 'nut' is indeed 15 1/4" to the crown of the 12th fret however, which is likely why Epiphone is claiming this to be a 30.5" scale. Lay a notched fretboard ruler over the neck and you'll see the same thing- it doesn't line up. Only a huge deal if you have fat fingers (I do) and plan on spending a lot of time higher than the 15th fret (I don't).

3- Full disclaimer= I live in a condominium setup (IE- there is a lot of stray electrical noise flying all about). The stock pickups / electronics are pretty noisy (since it can't be shielded via the traditional means of paint or foil). Yes, the stock pickup leads are shielded, but it is still very loud in places the Mustang is silent (full cavity shielding with MG paint, plus internally shielded EMG GZRs). Despite the cost being much more than I paid for the instrument, I am considering replacing the pickups for Bartolini models (the only internally shielding mini-hums I can find that fit into the same footprint).


After all of that, I apologize to the OP for vomiting too much unrelated information into his query.

Sorry, man
I’ve picked up the Epi Viola bass. It weighs more than my Hofner and has nothing close to the volume of the Hofner or the Jay Turser viola bass when played acoustically. Weighs and sounds like a semi-hollow body and Epiphone doesn’t really describe the construction on their website.