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In Ear Monitors

Mar 5, 2001
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Dean Markley Strings, Xotic Basses, Kubicki Basses
Hi all,
have any of you tried in- ear monitors that have decent low end reproduction? We will probably use the new Sennheiser transmitter/ receiver but I am inexperienced with the in- ear element. I need feedback from actual experience please, as I've researched what's available already.
Let the debate rage......
Thanks in advance!
 
Okay, I'll start. I've been using in-ears for about 4 years now. Our band (4 piece, keys/trumpet, drums, gtr, bass, 3 vocals) went to no-amps, all in ear monitoring. We really love it, although it is a bit more complicated than the old wedge monitors and guitar/bass/keyboard amp setup. But once we got it dialed in, it is actually much, much easier.
For bass, it is quite different than using an amp, took a little getting used to, but I'm loiking it enough that I haven't used my bass amp for years. (I'm not even sure where it is to tell you the truth). We use hardwired in-ears with a Shure Auxpander and a nice Rane Studio headphone amp. I can hear (not so much as feel though...) my bass soooo much better than I ever could with an amp, because I have my own mix going directly into my head.
If you rely on the feeling of the earth shaking and your teeth rattling to get what you feel is a good bass sound, I'm afraid you may be very disappointed. But, there are "bass shaker type platforms that will help with the "feel the thunder" aspect of bass. The important thing is to get some GOOD in-ears, and even more important than that, is getting a good fit. A large part of the appeal of the in-ears is not only how much sound they give you, but also how much sound they keep out. When you don't have raging stage volumes blasting your head off, you don't need as much volume to hear what you want to hear.
We have a stereo mix, in my mix I have:
1) The Main mix (stereo, what the audience hears)
2) My Bass (boosted just a little, mixed right down the middle)
3) A couple of live stage mics (does not go to the main mix) so we can talk to eachother easily
4) An overhead drum mic (mixed pretty low, just a little extra for the bass player!)

We play mostly smaller clubs and resorts, so we opted to not go wireless, (the guitar player and I both use cables for our instruments, so we made some custom cables that serve as both our headphone cable and instrument cable). Although we don't run around the stage like a bunch of crazed lunatics, we are definitely pretty mobile and active, being "hardwired" hasn't been an issue.

You should be able to get a great overall sound, even with minimal equipment. I think our entire monitor system set us back about $500, and it sounds just beautiful.

For in-ears, I have used:
Westone UM1's (very comfy but not enough low end)
Shure E2's (cheap, not bad sound, not all that comfortable)
FutureSonics M5's (my current fave - great tight low end, pretty comfy, not too expensive $179-ish)

I've toyed with the idea of custom fit in-ears, but have not felt the need enough to warrant the high-dollar pricetag, although some people have had good luck with LiveWires and a few other "lower priced" customs. Still the "lower priced" customs are 200 - 300 dollars, so that may be a good option for you. Check out [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] for more in-ear information than you'll ever be able to digest...
 
I can comment of the custom/non custom in ears...

I would definitely go custom molds if the budget allows. I recently purchased the UE 5pros from ultimate ears and they are amazing! They are not only the most comfortable headphones ive ever used but they are also the best sounding. These have PLENTY of low end in them. All i do is set my mix with the band then slighty bump myself and the drums up and i have the perfect sound regardless of what room we are in. Definitely look into UE stuff if you get a chance....
 
I use the M-Audio IE-30s (they're rebranded UE somethings) with dual drivers. You really have to have a separate bass driver to get good bass response in a small in ear.

My first set were some old Shure E2s and they were awful sounding.

Also, if you do a search you will find a ton of posts about this.
 
We made the switch about 4 or 5 years ago. I love them. I have a complete mix in mine. THe guitards have their own guitars and vocals, but I like a little of everything. They work great for me. I use the Westone UM-1 which are the same as the Sure E-1/3 models. Got them from E-bay for about $80 and they are great. We use the Nady PEM500's. Pound for pound just like the Shure 200's and 400 series except quite a bit less expensive. I way prefer in-ears to any other form of monitors. Nice and easy on my ears, great to leave the venue without any ringing...
 
I can comment of the custom/non custom in ears...

I would definitely go custom molds if the budget allows. I recently purchased the UE 5pros from ultimate ears and they are amazing! They are not only the most comfortable headphones ive ever used but they are also the best sounding. These have PLENTY of low end in them. All i do is set my mix with the band then slighty bump myself and the drums up and i have the perfect sound regardless of what room we are in. Definitely look into UE stuff if you get a chance....


++++++++1 I have a set of UE-5Pros that are about 3 years old now. THESE THINGS ROCK. Worth every penny if they are in the budget. I use mine with 3 different groups. Church Praise Band. Azusa Street Band and for a local guy I play with from time to time.
 
I have used in ears for 10 years. As long as you have a good seal you'll be fine. I started with Shure E1's. They sound surprisingly good with Futuresonics "Earfills" sleeves. Then I got E5's and could really get into my bass sound. Then I got Westone custom molds with a 3 drivers. The seal and bass response of the custom mold made my amp needless for me. Now I have the ultimate in In-ears, Sensaphonics 3D Active AmbientTM IEM System. Custom mold, dual driver with integrated mics for ambient sound. These things give you everything. Amazing sound and the ability to mix in what ever amount of true ambient you like.

My recommedation on a budget would be the westone UM2's with the Futuresonics "Earfills" sleeves. You get the great bass response of a dual driver with the excellent seal of the Futuresonic sleeves.
 
carvin makes a system that may be worth checking out...great price...has all the features that I'd be after, as well...
These are made by Nady! My band has the Nady transmitters and several extra Carvin Body Pack receivers. They are completely interchangeable. Also, the Carvin Body packs are less expensive than the Nady's and Carvin's repair policy is, break it - replace it for 1/2 the price of the new one!!
 
This is something I'm really interested in. I know pretty much nothing about in-ears, except that they'll help me hear myself much better on stage.

I guess here's my real question about it: I spent the far majority of my young years playing in bands, and cranking our amps to 11, with no pa except vocals, really having no clue what we were doing.

Now that I'm a little older and playing in more serious bands, I'm having to adjust to playing through a house mix, and only hearing the small volume from my amp, and not hearing what the audience hears. On a particularly bass heavy and/or guitar/vocal light section in a song, I'll catch an earful of what I'm sounding like to the audience, through the house, and I usually don't like the tone, or realize I'm clacking the hell out of my bass from trying to up my volume to hear myself. Not a situation I like at all.

I've been thinking about getting in ears to solve that problem. Would I be correct in thinking that? I figure that way, I'll ear myself much more intimately, and can really make sure I'm sounding good.

Also, I play most of my gigs in small venues. This is entirely opinion based, but would any of you guys get an "oh look at this p**** coming in here with all this gear" feeling to see someone straping on their in-ears in a small club?

Thanks!
 
I have the version of the Koss "The Plug" that they made about 10 years ago I think (when they first came out and listed for $30 bucks or so). They certainly sound better than the buds that come with Sennheiser IEM systems. The highs aren't bad, the mids aren't too scooped, and the bass is rather full. Driven by an iPhone, they seem solid down to 36 before they quickly trail off. I don't know what the current model(s) sound like.
 
Ryrob813
Did the same thing. I love my in ear's and most of the time no one gives me grief. I ask if I can get a monitor mix to my transmitter and most of the time its no problem. That way I can set my own level in the mix with out changing everyone else.
 
I use the Shure SE530PTH with custom molds...I also own the E4s with custom molds, which I thought were really good until I listened to the 530s...simply amazing!

I also agree you'll get better tone, and with less leakage, with the custom molds. Seems to enhance the bass response even more, and I don't need to turn them as loud.
 
Just for grins, here's a small portion of an interlude recorded from my IEM mix.

My Hearback IEM mixer has two parallel headphone jacks (getting the same mix). I routed the second one into a portable minidisc recorder. Other than normalizing the file, there's nothing changed from my IEM feed on this clip: 30second interlude

I use a set of over the counter, wired, Skull Candy earbuds plugged into the Hearback mixer. I very pleased over-all.
 
Just make sure you don't destroy your hearing.

It's very common for people to make a switch to in-ears and raise the volume to such a degree that it's actually worse for your hearing than floor wedges. As user experiences continue to come in that affirm this, it's important to be mindful of how important your hearing is and what you can do to mitigate unnecessary hearing loss. Much of this, I think, is in part to not using a set of headphones or in-ears that have good isolation, which will make you turn the volume up past what's reasonable just to hear the mix well. The surrounding noise floor is still high and you, not having a good seal, hear that external noise and raise the volume (straight/directly/without the wonderful wonders of the curvatures of your ears to help out) into your ear canal.

And this sounds weird that I'm saying this but I might even recommend you check into (even cheap) headphone amps. I know, I know: seems counterintuitive to what I just said, right? But if you get a good signal to your headphones, you're less inclined to "turn it up to 11" to try and get better bass response out of your in-ears.

It's about efficient use, not excessive.


Pete Townshend on his hearing loss:
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To keep the volume down. don't start out with everything in the mix, start with nothing. Then listen to see what's missing and add that in. Sometimes the isolation (which decreases with frequency) serves to cut te volume and high frequency hash to the extent that you can actually hear most things better than with your ears open. I've worked with folks who needed only their voice and a little of their instrument in their IEMs.
 
To keep the volume down. don't start out with everything in the mix, start with nothing. Then listen to see what's missing and add that in. Sometimes the isolation (which decreases with frequency) serves to cut the volume and high frequency hash to the extent that you can actually hear most things better than with your ears open. I've worked with folks who needed only their voice and a little of their instrument in their IEMs.

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I could never get past the isolation though. .

I'm looking into this now as well. This quote sums up my concerns exactly. No one has really spoken up about this. I have spent my entire life hearing everything, and the isolation part worries me. I feel cut off and paranoid about what I may be missing as to stage comments, changed songs, cues etc. Any thoughts to this concern?
 
I'm looking into this now as well. This quote sums up my concerns exactly. No one has really spoken up about this. I have spent my entire life hearing everything, and the isolation part worries me. I feel cut off and paranoid about what I may be missing as to stage comments, changed songs, cues etc. Any thoughts to this concern?

Put into your ears an open mic or two (that is/are somewhere on stage) with a compressor set to smash anything louder than speech. You'll be able to hear the chatter, yet as soon as someone starts playing, the compressor will squash and get rid of all the garbage.