• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Inside My Rogue 8-String

Here's the bass in question, an octave 8-string I got in like-new condition for $185 from a Pawn Shop:
kaktexrogue4.jpg


Basswood body with an arched maple top, 6-bolt 24 fret maple neck, rosewood board, brass nut, and Grover machine heads.
kaktexrogue3.jpg


For a Rogue it's surprisingly well-built, and it's looks & sound really get me off.
The previous owner had put a set of .105"s on it and I guess they pawned it after finding out that it wouldn't intonate.
I put .095" Boomers on, and while I'm still near the end of adjustment, it plays in-tune now.
Apparently the bridge wasn't put in the right place on all of them, but that's the only design flaw I've found.
I couldn't get the neck straight enough with the .105"s either, so it's obvious this bass is designed for lighter strings.
Which is fine since the added tension of the octave strings brings it right back to the feel of medium+ gauge strings.


After a few gigs, my main issue was the super-high output level.
While it has the same control layout--volume, pickup blend, 3-band EQ--the Rogue's preamp output was more than 10db louder than my Ibanez SR500's. Unfortunately, it was also far enough under a 20db difference that simply engaging my tube preamp's 20db pad wasn't a solution to the annoying knob-twisting I had to do every time I switched basses.
Between songs I barely have enough time to tune and drink beer, so needing to adjust my amps was a huge pain.



A few weeks ago I was unwinding after a gig (= beerbeerbeer, etc) and realized that I had never looked inside the control cavity.

Imagine my confusion when I discovered THIS:
keithalankroguepreamp1.jpg


"What the :spit::rollno: is a Pbass pickup doing in there?"
After a few seconds it made sense--why pay to have a custom case made for your preamp module when there's hundreds of little plastic doodads in a carton across the factory that'll do the job just fine?
A smart and convenient solution, but it sure messed with my head at first.

Here's the best part:
Flipping over the preamp, I found a little trim pot sticking out of the wax potting.
keithalankroguepreamp2.jpg

Hmmm...

Sure enough, when I amped the bass and started adjusting the trim pot it was obvious that it's purpose was to set the maximum output of the preamp.
Paradoxically, clockwise turns it down.

It took a few minutes of work, but now my basses have the same output!
Should have opened her up sooner.


Anyone else found something unusual inside a bass?
 
Not to derail, but if your saddles are as far back(away from the nut)as they can go and barely intonating, you might look into shimming the neck pocket; I had the same issue w/my Jazz 5 and shimming just the bridgeward end of the neck pocket w/2 scraps of business card increased the neck angle slightly, resulting in just a few hairs more distance from nut to bridge: Voila- intonation. Decent-looking bass, BTW & a very nice score for the dough. :cool:
 
Thanks for the info, bassteban.

I seriously considered various neck shim ideas for a few weeks before trying lighter strings, although I must admit it's close enough to the edge that I can't believe such a design flaw made it into production.
Especially when you consider that my bridge is also bottomed-out on it's inserts.

Unfortunately, I'm in love with a bass that's on the edge of disaster but we're doing fine so far.
 
I just picked up one of these off Ebay for a ridiculously cheap sum. It's on it's way here and I thank you very much for reporting on yours. The report and the pictures convinced me to pull the trigger. Thanks, and the trim pot will be checked on mine when it gets here. :)
 
...but the price was right, and you have probably already gigged it enough to pay for itself, so no worries.

Absolutely. That bass is SO gorgeous. I am SO jealous! You should see my Carlo Robelli that I got for about the same coin. You've got a nice flamed maple look and I've got Silver sparkle like a cheap japanese drumset! You've got a nice "real" upper horn and I've got a nub with rod bolted on to it with a strap button on the end to kill the former massive neck dive. You've got a real wood body, and I've got some kind of stupid composition that the strap buttons used to pull out of all the time.

But hey, the one thing I do have is 8 string tone. The electronics in my Robelli simply kill! Which is why I bought it in the first place. Hope yours is as good as mine. Apparently an 8 string isn't a serious bass so only entry level places produce them. And what I really want is a 10 stringer and I've only found one. It's typically an entry level thing for which they are charging an arm and leg. I think some kind of conversion projet is in order!

Nice catch!
 
I just picked up one of these off Ebay for a ridiculously cheap sum. It's on it's way here and I thank you very much for reporting on yours. The report and the pictures convinced me to pull the trigger. Thanks, and the trim pot will be checked on mine when it gets here. :)
Glad my experience helped you.
It's a really nice bass--looks and feels like it could go for 4x the $$.
BTW, my J pickup buzzes.
I still haven't gotten around to running a ground wire to the already-shielded control cavity cover, which might be all it needs. Another design oops.

GHS makes a Boomer 8 set that's .095, but I still haven't ordered any from Just Strings yet. $26.95 if I recall.
Those are the perfect strings for my Rogue 8.
Is yours the same color as mine, or the dark grey/black version?


bassbenj--when you say 10, you mean like a 5 but octaves?
That's crazy!
But seriously, does anyone make strings for that?
I recently saw a 10-string on CL, but it was weird--octave pairs on the E and A, then double octaves on the D and G.
Like half 8, half 12.

I'm sure your Robelli sounds better than my Rogue, but it's still pretty awesome.
Whenever I record with it, my engineer always texts me a few hours later to tell me how badass it sounds.
But when I go back to the Ibanez SR500 I always wish the 8 sounded more like it.
The preamp is very good--the 3 band EQ is responsive and musical.
I guess better pickups would help but I have a serious problem with spending more for pups than the bass cost.


And I'm glad I didn't find a weird little doll inside, too.
That's creepy.
 
Cool bass!

I discovered that the Ibanez ATK had a volume trim on the preamp when I got my second one and it was much louder than the previous one.

There is a Dean production 10-string (called the Hammer IIRC). I have a Dean 12-string, so can say that the Deans are pretty good instruments - I compared mine to a couple of USA Hamer 12's, and it wasn't as good as them, but it was very close.

Steve
 
How is the quality of this bass? I've been eying the 5-string, as I've found my P-Bass with flats isn't my favorite for church and such anymore. Lord knows I don't need another bass... But these are intriguing. I figure, an active 5-string with rounds would be the perfect compliment to my current main bass (P with flats.)