Possiedo un Musicman Stingray con pickup, ho letto in giro che molti lo hanno sostituito con un Nordstrand Big Blademan 4. Tuttavia, non appena il preamplificatore da studio Lusithand F1 sarà di nuovo disponibile, lo comprerò e farò delle prove con il mio GK Legacy.
Enjoy the benefits of a premium membership!
Upgrade Account
-
TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
Join free Log in
Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.
Is Anybody Familiar With This Pedal: Lusithand F1
- Thread starter gwangi
- Start date
Most (or all?) active Wal basses with filter preamps have separate lowpass filters per pickup that can be blended, which is something you won’t be able to achieve with this pedal. Outside of that, I would probably set one of the filters as an LPF for the main character of the sound then set the other as an HPF to dial in the Wal “pick attack” sound. Or you could set them both as LPF and dial one in with a lower peak and use the other one with a higher peak to emulate the Wal “pick attack” switch. There is no single Wal sound, so it would be impossible to generalize beyond that.
A fair amount of the Wal sound comes from the actual pickup positioning being very tail-biased almost like a 70s Jazz bass (there's a great long thread on Bass Chat UK that catalogs this down to the millimeter). I was leaning on modding a Ray34, a USA SUB, etc. but the more I looked into it, the Ernie Ball HH pickup placement is more like a MusicMan "Sweet Spot" for the bridge, and a neck pickup that's much closer to the neck than on a Wal. It'll be more polite, fatter, and incredibly unique, but won't exactly have the tonal properties of a Wal Mk series. The MusicMan pickups are also surprisingly shallow in depth. You'll need to almost double the pickup rout on the body for the Turner English multicoils with a USA Stingray. The Sterling imports have deeper pickup routs if you feel comfortable with their build quality.
As I wasn't feeling the Yamaha mod route (although the pickup positioning is almost bang on!), I eventually realized I could do a custom Warmoth build w/ Lusithand and Turner products. The difference between cheaper woods/finishes and lam top/better options with Warmoth was really only $500, so it's still a pricey proposition at a minimum of $2,000, but every penny was worth it. It's still not a Wal, no, but it's like 90-95% of the Wal sound while being its own thing. It's so good that I rarely pickup my Stingrays these days. Super grateful for Nuno at Lusithand and Chris Turner putting their spin on a sound so many of us have chased in our own heads:
The F1 or as others have pointed out, the Broughton Resonant Filter Equalizer, will get you the vowel-y sound of the Wal low pass filter + resonance, but the pick attack is a unique thing to Chancellor's Wal sound. Either of those pedals will probably get you, IMO, 70% of the way to the universe you seek. The other, harder to obtain 30%, is multicoil buffering, pickup location, pickup blend, pick attack, and circuit sauce adding a bit of grit.
It would be a hard thing to get someone to free up as there's not many of them in the wild (maybe 50 of them or so), but the Broughton Royal MK is an homage to the Wal Mk series preamp down to how the pick attack stacks with the low pass filter's cutoff frequency. I giggled when I first plugged it in with my Stingray because it is so good.
Thanka, acquisterò sicuramente il pedale Lusithand f1 preamp studio appena tornerà diaponibile, non penso che cambiare pickup al ponte al mio music man con un Nordstrand Big Blademan 4 mi aiuti ancora di pii ad avvicinarmi al suono.
comunque se qualcuno fosse interessato ho visto che a Londra da Bass Gallery shop ci sono un paio di Wal bass usati in vendita
Wal Mk1 1985
Specs: Nut Width: 42mm String Spacing: 18mm Scale Length: 34" Weight: 3.93kg See pictures for more specs!
thebassgallery.com
Thanks, yes, I'm already thinking about buying the Lusithand F1 Preamp Studio pedal as soon as it's available again. I don't think swapping the bridge pickup on my Music Man for a Nordstrand Big Blademan 4 will help me get any closer to that sound.
Anyway, if anyone's interested, I saw a couple of used Wal basses for sale at the Bass Gallery shop in London
Wal Mk1 1985
Specs: Nut Width: 42mm String Spacing: 18mm Scale Length: 34" Weight: 3.93kg See pictures for more specs!
thebassgallery.com
That's a great tone! I had a go at getting this sound with my Stingray 5 but couldn't get that close. However, I didn't have a comparable distortion sound, I was using an Origin Bassrig Super Vintage with everything flat other than getting some drive on it. I think a different ditsortion pedal and adding a parametric EQ to take out some low mids would get closer, or maybe a Low Rider pedal in the mix.
The Gallien Krueger head also helps a lot, as it produces a nice growl, especially since the sound you heard is just bass from the head without overdrive or distortion pedals... Do you think the Lutishand F1 Filter Preamp Studio pedal could help me? This video piqued my interest.
Do you think the Lutishand F1 Filter Preamp Studio pedal could help me? This video piqued my interest.Take a look at this demo video with Nate Navarro, coincidentally using another Lustihand pedal the "Ground & Pound" bass overdrive/distortion pedal. Go from 1:53 where he's playing the same song.
Here's a link to the pedal's page where there are several other demo videos:
Ground & Pound MKII - Lusithand Devices
Bass preamp, overdrive/distortion Two new features have been included in this second version of the Ground & Pound; the ground/ pound switch and an L-Pad attenuator. The Ground setting is a new sound-profile that allows for a deeper, more modern sound, while the Pound setting is the...
lusithanddevices.com
folks who have used the F1 - does the lack of a clean blend matter? The Alembic superfilter you blend clean with each eq point, but on the F1 its only the affected signal (from both channels).
I have the Broughton res filter and its pretty good, not sure it sounded as good as the alembic F2 (had one, stupidly sold it years ago). How does the sound quality on the Lusithand F1 compare?
I have the Broughton res filter and its pretty good, not sure it sounded as good as the alembic F2 (had one, stupidly sold it years ago). How does the sound quality on the Lusithand F1 compare?
Fender precision, Labella flatwounds.
I’m very impressed with the Lusithand set (Alma, Rosa, GnP). I’m wondering what the F1 does that a parametric eq doesn’t do even better (such as the Empress Bass ParaEQ).
I’m very impressed with the Lusithand set (Alma, Rosa, GnP). I’m wondering what the F1 does that a parametric eq doesn’t do even better (such as the Empress Bass ParaEQ).
Got one, very effective and fun to use. Less functions than the full-feature Empress Bass para eq (and more than the Broughton RFE) but the quirky functions allow for different tone shaping.
You could fudge something similar to a resonant HPF or LPF using the Empress, but it would require using both the top and bottom para-EQ bands AND the HPF and LPF controls in conjunction to do it. All the Empress parametric bands are peaking/notch filters so pass all the signal above and below the effected frequency range, the filters on the F1 are LPF (cuts all highs above the cutoff) and HPF (cuts all lows below the cutoff). The HPF and LPF on the Empress have no resonance/Q controls, so resonance would have to be added using the parametric filters on top of the HPF and LPF.
Yes, I own one.
It is great.
I use to sort of tighten up my tone.
With a HPF blended in parallel with a LPF the effect is rather subtle, cause you basically blend in unaffaetet lows with a HPF'eret signal and unaffected highs with a HPF'eret signal, but it really does tighten up the tone and makes it more growly, with punchier lows and snappier highs.
With 2 HPF'ers or two LPF'ers blended in parallel the effect is much more prominent, but I like how I have dialed it in.
It is great.
I use to sort of tighten up my tone.
With a HPF blended in parallel with a LPF the effect is rather subtle, cause you basically blend in unaffaetet lows with a HPF'eret signal and unaffected highs with a HPF'eret signal, but it really does tighten up the tone and makes it more growly, with punchier lows and snappier highs.
With 2 HPF'ers or two LPF'ers blended in parallel the effect is much more prominent, but I like how I have dialed it in.
Last edited:
I mean of course:
With a HPF blended in parallel with a LPF the effect is rather subtle, cause you basically blend in unaffaetet lows with a HPF'eret signal and unaffected highs with a LPF'eret signal, but it really does tighten up the tone and makes it more growly, with punchier lows and snappier highs.
What do you mean?
I also realized the peculiarity of blending an unaffected high with unaffected low in HPF and LPF mode, but as you say it works. I sometimes find a straight HPF/LPF like the Broughtons and the Empress bass paraEQ have an unsubtle effect that doesn’t always sound right. The SolidGoldFX BetaV has a LPF dial that attenuates the effect (not sure exactly in what way) but I find this sounds better.
I tend to leave the 2nd channel in band-pass, so there are no unaffected lows blending in. Essentially a HPF with possible blending in of some specific band.
Maybe it’s my imagination but I find a definite fattening/smoothing effect with the F1 a bit like the optical compressor sound. This with just the HPF channel set at minimum 50Hz. The Broughtons and Empress are transparent, HPF at 50Hz just sounds like a tightening of the low end.
