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Is the Internet destroying society?

I don't know about "destroying," but certainly "transforming."

A lot of people are saying it's just a medium. But media DO transform societies. The advent of writing and books completely changes a society where previously all story telling and transfer of information had to happen orally. The telegraph and telephone created ways that linked people over what had been massive barriers of distance. The radio caused people to completely change their home life, as leisure-time activities came to be scheduled around broadcast times - previously the clock only ruled the workplace. Television brought vivid images from faraway wars right into your living room, and the format encouraged the quick jump-cut from one item to another in a rapid-fire, disjointed fashion. You can easily tell the difference between early television writing, that feels like a stage play but filmed by a camera, where the writers were trained for theater, and later writing, where clearly the writers were themselves raised on TV.

The internet changes everything, in a way we haven't seen since maybe the printing press. It eliminates gatekeepers - the threshold of entry is so low, EVERYONE can "publish" their ideas, pictures, stories, songs, if they want to. I have a blog, and stuff on soundcloud myself, for instance. There's infinitely more out there, available for most anyone to access. But by the same token, we're also flooded with an excess of content, so as consumers of media, we get much more power to select what we want. So you can get "echo chambers," where everyone's intake is customized to their existing tastes and prejudices and it's very easy to screen out whatever you don't want - and thereby opt out of listening to perspectives or creations that the former gatekeepers would have deemed important for everyone to know.

A source of information or opinion or entertainment that would have been marginal - and perhaps rightfully so - can become central to a person. And that person, who might otherwise themselves have been marginalized and isolated, can connect online to other persons and thus form a virtual community, a social force that otherwise might never have coalesced.

More constructively (or maybe that was constructively), it often strikes me how social media can indeed do what it's promised to do, which is to allow people to sustain and cultivate relationships in situations where they otherwise would have faded. It has revived my contact with old school and college friends that I had not heard from in years. When our family moved across country, kids were able to stay in touch with their old friends. When I was their age, that would only have happened if both friends were diligent letter writers.
 
Hmm, no sooner did I post about people relying too much on social media than I see this on FB:

"Hey guys. Does anyone know if zzounds will knock money off if you ask them to? Looking to make about a $300 order and would like it to be a little cheaper. I use them often. Just wondering if it'd be worth it to call and try to haggle with them"

Why wouldn't you just CALL them & ask?
 
Reminds me of a conversation I overheard between a couple of friends. They were arguing about whether television influences behavior. My one friend said: "Of course it influences behavior. The purpose of commercial television is to influence behavior."

One widespread technology in the tech industry is called "A/B testing" where two variations of a website or game are dished out at random, and the response of users is measured. Noticeable differences in behavioral outcomes are rolled out to the full site, and a new round of testing begins.
 
The internet is evil. The level of evil directly affects my pay scale. There is no privacy. People forfeit their fundamental right to privacy the moment they touch a website with a browser. And it goes so much deeper than that. How many of you have a Google Alexa device? How about an Amazon dot? How many IoT devices are connected in your home? Do you think they’re all secure? How do you know?

Yes, the internet has changed the human mindset and transformed the ability to retain privacy but is also the single greatest resource of knowledge and raw data. Human-kind has never had a resource so deep and broad to work with for both good AND bad.

So while I don’t agree that it’s “destroying” society, it IS transforming it into something that prior and current generations could not have imagined. Imagine what your grandchildren will see?
 
It's a mixed bag. Personally, I think it's made it worse for me personally.

Here's why:

1. It's increased the labor supply because anyone in the world with the right credentials can do my job. It used to be that I had a huge competitive advantage with a single graduate degree because I had both hard and soft skills to do my job AND was within driving distance of my brick and mortar work. Now there are a ton of people who can do that because the distance isn't an issue. The world is the new labor supply, not the local market. It's led to a massive escalation in credentials required to be near the top of the pack, at a huge personal cost of my bankroll, time and family, and my job security. I've had to get 3 more graduate credentials and post graduate work just to stay employed, and I still need more to really be at the top of my scene.

2. I find there is more road rage- like behavior in discussion forums. The internet provides anonymity and people let their polite selves go. They are often blunter, ruder, and less considerate than I believe they would be in real life. At one time it bothered me, but no longer.

[side benefit, I understand human personality better. Started reading about the kind of people who are like that -- trolls, mean, provocative, and have learned to influence them, and even predict the behavior, with some amusement even.]

3. Gaming addiction, although it's debated, is strong. My son has it and we are making inroads, but the World Health Organization has declared gaming addiction a disorder recently. The technology really hurts relationships for some youth, particularly those with parents who aren't unified in how to deal with it.

4. Local brick and mortar stores, as someone said, suffer.

5. Loss of privacy, credit card information (read, Equifax).

6. The reach of social media has really hurt some people, leading to suicide and lost reputations since it's so easy to disseminate bad news.

7. The Internet has provided a fun hunting ground for sadistic, narcissistic types who love to inflame others.

8. Health is worse. People sit at computers all day. I have at least two meds I take due to the inactivity involved in being on the McPuter (as my daughter used to call it) all day.

Good things

1. Much more accessible goods and services. You can get specialty items without driving around all over town.
2. Online education at the PhD and Graduate level is very accessible and often effective to working adults in certain disciplines.
3. Businesses can reduce costs with the Internet, allowing more room for investment...
4. More convenient services -- like being able to file taxes online and other conveniences like that.
5. The little person has a lot of power now. Online reviews keep bad products in check (when not fabricated by the manufacturers), average people have influence over large numbers of people.
6. Information is much more available for how to do things.
7. It's easier to build communities of people with niche interests.
8. I've had a lot of fun watching trolls, commenting on their behavior with otherwise observers in private messages, predicting behavior, seeing it come to pass as predicted, and more I won't share. The information available on the Internet has made this possible, plus internet software, and of course, repeated patterns from these types in the various discussion forums I frequent.

Overall, I would give up the good things if we could remove the bad things, but that is only a personal perspective
 
Hmm, no sooner did I post about people relying too much on social media than I see this on FB:

"Hey guys. Does anyone know if zzounds will knock money off if you ask them to? Looking to make about a $300 order and would like it to be a little cheaper. I use them often. Just wondering if it'd be worth it to call and try to haggle with them"

Why wouldn't you just CALL them & ask?

The company I work for recently hired an individual in their 20's who only lasted a couple days before he was canned. Why? He couldn't talk on the phone--a lack of verbal communication skills. He just "assumed" that all communication inside and outside the company would be done via e-mail/IM/text. He actually admitted that for most of his life, texting was his primary means of communication and never had the need to verbalize.

I realize that this is an extreme example, but it seems to be more common lately.
 
My concentration is ruined. I tried to read an admittedly boring business book and I had to put my phone in another room to keep it from distracting me. It's like the internet has rewired my brain to only take in small bits of information. Anything longer and my mind starts to wonder.

I might have to go back to a flip-phone.
I've never had a "smart" phone - just a flip. It's really funny to see people's reactions to my phone. There are people who will chide me for not having a smart phone and those who will congratulate me. There are definitely times when I've been glad to have access to my girlfriend's smart phone (being able to look up an address or use her GPS, for example) but never do I want to become one of these people whose instinct it seemingly is to reach for their pocket computer at the faintest sign of dead air or boredom. It's bad enough having the internet at home and constantly checking emails and TB (as fun as that can be it certainly gobbles up a lot of minutes), but to have that kind of access (and temptation) all the time? No thanks.
 
One of the most frightening things about the internet to me is that it changes reality, and 99% of people don't realize this. Except for Talkbassers. We all know more than most.

Perfect example is something I saw this morning. Someone posted a stupid racist picture of a sign that was supposedly on a school bathroom door. I work in a HS and see kids do dumb stuff like that all the time, to make viral posts. And it works. That 2 seconds of thought from a kid looking to get some recognition becomes an all encompassing reality. This is what the world is coming to. This is where we're at. Look how horrible it all is!!!!

Same is true for the opposite. They now have websites where you can get convincing faux vacation pictures to post on social media. Its absolute ridiculousness. And people are buying into it.

The latest, most troubling thing to me, is the technology for being able to make people say whatever you want them to say. I'd link to it, but I'm doing this from work and have limited resources :). Anybody can be made to say anything... or react however someone wants them to, to anything... and while it hasn't started becoming a mainstream thing yet, I'm near certain it will.

We can no longer believe our eyes.

People create new facts every day.

The loudest most charismatic people, the ones with the most personality redefine our world....

And that's only the start of it.

Many people are completely addicted to social media, and don't even have a clue...

I could go on and on.

Yes. I think its destroying society.
 
It's an addiction. People need to think about how they're hurting their lives.
The convenience is the killer. It's too easy to get sucked in and it then takes willpower (and awareness - I'm not sure which of the two is in shorter supply these days) to disengage. The worst, to me, is when I see toddlers learning these bad habits while their parents congratulate each other on how they're giving their kid a "head start" in life.
 
Doesn't every generation think new technology is ruining things? I remember when when people said the VCR would kill the movie industry, and before that when people said cassette tapes would kill the record industry. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that people thought vinyl records would kill music because no one would learn to play piano or sing, and people probably thought the telephone was horrible because no one would go visit anyone any more.

Accept, embrace, let go.
 
My concentration is ruined. I tried to read an admittedly boring business book and I had to put my phone in another room to keep it from distracting me. It's like the internet has rewired my brain to only take in small bits of information. Anything longer and my mind starts to wonder.

I might have to go back to a flip-phone.

Thank you! THIS is the issue. The internet is not directly changing or ruining the world but it IS fundamentally changing our minds. And concentration (or the lack of) is the main issue.

I posted this link to a story about a book called "The Shallows" earlier but my hunch is that no-one took the time to check it. 'The Shallows': This Is Your Brain Online

He lays out the logic quite effectively and methodically. The main thrust is that our brains are always changed by tools.

It started with physical tools but really took off when maps were invented. Maps were a revolutionary development that changed the way we thought about our world. No longer was your neighborhood the only element of your world.

Books were the next huge change. I cannot do his complete, logical thesis justice in a short post but they changed the way our brains worked. Especially after the printing press, books totally changed the way we think. Creative thinkers at the time realized this.

Newspapers, radio, and TV continued the trend, each had its unique stamp on our changed brains. Again, creative thinkers at the time realized this. We started the beginning of the overload; we reacted by missing much of the info and moved to skimming things quickly.

The internet is the biggest tool to ever come along. The unlimited amount of relevant information provided through search engines, the large amount of hyper-links, the constantly changing side-bars and ads, and the pop-up notifications from our email, twitter, and instagram have altered (reduced) our ability and especially, our desire to focus for a significant time one one subject. We flit from one subject to another...before we complete a task, something else grabs our attention. Fewer and fewer people have the desire to read long articles and books. We skim. We look for the readily available reductions and "Cliff Notes."

Our phones and other devices have taken these distractions to the next level. We are overwhelmed and yes, addicted to the flow and the stimulation. We click on the next click-bait. Time after time.

Our brains have changed. Our changed brains then influenced how businesses and our society change. WE have made this world more of a mess because it started with our brains.

When one is aware of this, one can take conscious steps to alleviate some of the negative elements. And by the way, the author goes to great lengths to describe all of the good things about the internet. You owe it to yourself to read it.

Oh look! A squirrel!

What was I talking about?
 
Doesn't every generation think new technology is ruining things? I remember when when people said the VCR would kill the movie industry, and before that when people said cassette tapes would kill the record industry. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that people thought vinyl records would kill music because no one would learn to play piano or sing, and people probably thought the telephone was horrible because no one would go visit anyone any more.

Accept, embrace, let go.

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure MP3's destroyed the record/CD/cassette industry.

-Mike