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It's Up to You

plankspanker13 said:
Geography is a huge component. Some scenes can be very conducive to a variety of genres, and thus, be friendlier to original music, as well. Here in Sand Land, it's covers, country or death metal; there does not seem to be much happening beyond those. Every middle-aged wannabe rocker with the budget to buy gear thinks that they can put together 40-50 songs and go make some money, but the reality is that they usually languish on what I call the far east side biker circuit. The indie/death metal kids all piss and whine about the lack of great players their own age, and even less gig opportunities, but always seem to forget that it is about pleasing your audience, and not yourself, first, and that practice makes perfect (including the ability to cross genres, and actually make music that people want to hear). Country is its' own thing, entirely. It's mostly covers, but there are a few original bands of note that might actually keep the PHX on the map as a western outpost of country music.

Even on the coverband scene, there's a small handful of groups and people who always seem to be working, and a host of startups and wannabe's that feel they deserve more, but don't put in the work. Everyone always seems to want to play the same tired songs, too. What distinguishes the coverbands and players who are "next level" in this market is the work ethic, flexibility, and repetoire. When the economy really made life difficult, and gigs scarce, I went on many auditions, and most of the bands were quite out of touch with what it really takes to stay viable. Now that things are starting to look up with the economy, and the gigs are back, I have a minimum of 2 every weekend, and sometimes 3, or even 4. The aforementioned lesser bands probably feel that they deserve some of the pie, but it is those who don't stop at 50, or even 100 or 150 songs that get the work.

Common to all genres mentioned is the lament of other musicians about where all of the good bassists are. The obviously simple answer is that we are working, and if you are having problems finding one, then you should consider becoming one, or be conducting exhaustive intel about when one might be available for you...and don't forget to pay 'em what they're worth, too!

I agree with you on all points for the most part.

I have a buddy that complains about the lack of gigs his band gets. First off, he has no business plan in place, no strategy to book the band. I might ask him, " how many calls have you made today?" and he's like huh?

Go figure.

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bassbully said:
I'm selective on where we play and the pay is not a factor. Music is 100% first with my people and money second. A crappy gig at a crappy bar with 100.00 in my pocket, means nothing in compare to a small music room with 30 people watching every note and no pay.

Bully, I get where your coming from, but I see it differently. And I am no money hog, this is not where I make a living. I played 3 bars this past weekend some nicer than other but at every show the audience had a good time and all venues had a combination of our fans and their built in crowd.

I'll take the 100.00 bucks.
 
The Sloth said:
"Give me a good covers band any day."

Why not just stay home and listen to the radio? I just don't understand the attraction to standing around, listening to a band play burnt up radio playlists. No flow, no risk, no fun.

Because there is a demand for it. There is an attraction, it's what a lot of people want.

I was in an awesome pop rock originals band and I got tired of looking out at 20 people in a room.

Some might argue, why would I want to stand around listening to songs I have never heard, there not very good and I can't dance to it.

By the way, I have way more fun in the cover culture than original. I feel much more appreciated, musically and financially. And there is plenty of risk playing covers

Are you new to the biz?
 
Bully, I get where your coming from, but I see it differently. And I am no money hog, this is not where I make a living. I played 3 bars this past weekend some nicer than other but at every show the audience had a good time and all venues had a combination of our fans and their built in crowd.

I'll take the 100.00 bucks.

I know to each his own. Money never will be my motivation for music and I like it that way. I also understand those who play for money and chase it.

My band ran and add for drummers and I screened for it. Allot of the drummers said they played for the money first and music second.
I asked them then why did you respond to an add that said we are a working originals band that places music first and money second? :rolleyes:
 
Good for you Jive. This was the same feeling I got when I heard the songwriting from the guy I work with. If you really enjoy the songwriting and have freedom to write basslines/drums whatever with their music and be creative, its a blast.

It's not just that, it's the learning experience and musical growth. It's like getting lessons that you get for free, or are paid to take. It's growing me as a musician way more than playing 3 chord Rock. Don't get me wrong, I love simple music that you can groove to, and it has served me well over the years. But, it doesn't give me the same musical excitement and growth, even if the shows are a blast.
 
I like to listen to both covers and originals. I really prefer to play covers though. I spent years doing originals and that's just not my scene.

I love playing covers. I have lots of friends in working cover bands. (I have friends in originals bands too, but "working" might be a stretch.)


If you can sell it, do it. If you love it, do it. It really doesn't matter what you play as long as you're playing.
 
It's not just that, it's the learning experience and musical growth. It's like getting lessons that you get for free, or are paid to take. It's growing me as a musician way more than playing 3 chord Rock. Don't get me wrong, I love simple music that you can groove to, and it has served me well over the years. But, it doesn't give me the same musical excitement and growth, even if the shows are a blast.

Agree^ I have learned so much from my bandmates and the music we play. I am very lucky to be a part of it. Playing the gigs and getting paid are icing on the cake.
 
I like to listen to both covers and originals. I really prefer to play covers though. I spent years doing originals and that's just not my scene.

I love playing covers. I have lots of friends in working cover bands. (I have friends in originals bands too, but "working" might be a stretch.)


If you can sell it, do it. If you love it, do it. It really doesn't matter what you play as long as you're playing.

Agreed.^^^^^

3 years ago I was playing in an originals band, playing crappy gigs for no money and 1/2 empty bars. Practising, practising, practising. Yawn. Just not my scene anymore.

All of us are in our 40s in my main band. As the guitarist says if he isn't laying on the couch on a Friday night at 1:30 in the morning, then he better damn well be able to look our at a full club and know that the people are having fun. :bassist:
 
Personally, I like wearing lots of different hats on lots of different gigs.. Some are 100% original clubs and theatres, some are 100% cover wedding gigs, some are a bit of both, some are tribute gigs, some are totally ethnic, some are wide open free jams, some are small duo/trio gigs and others are Massively-Complex-Chartreading ridiculousness.. It's all great music though.. As a bass player, you don't have to live in just one box?
 
Geddyfleaharris said:
Agreed.^^^^^

3 years ago I was playing in an originals band, playing crappy gigs for no money and 1/2 empty bars. Practising, practising, practising. Yawn. Just not my scene anymore.

All of us are in our 40s in my main band. As the guitarist says if he isn't laying on the couch on a Friday night at 1:30 in the morning, then he better damn well be able to look our at a full club and know that the people are having fun. :bassist:

Yeah, we are in a similar stage. I'm 59 and I don't have as much gigging time left as some of the younger TBers, so for those of my vintage that want to play out a lot, have fun and get paid, covers was a more viable mechanism for me. But:

"It's Up To You"
 
Geddyfleaharris said:
I didn't really take this thread a one vs the other thread. I think it is just one man offering his experience and articulating where he is at this point in his life.

Obviously we are all going to play what feels right for each of us.

To a degree, however, I think there are others in the same position as me and again battle with what they want and how to get there.
 
Personally, I like wearing lots of different hats on lots of different gigs.. As a bass player, you don't have to live in just one box?

This seems to be turning into a cover vs original thread... I think a mix of covers and original is where it's at for original bands IMO, and IME. It keeps people interested, and gives them a frame of reference for the original stuff, and can help people "get" what you are doing. When people hear a cover, it opens a door for the original stuff. If you play a cover people like, they can make that connection... hey,, me and the band have something in common, I like the cover they played, so maybe I'll like the original stuff, too.
 
I've said it before: A cover band simply can not get a gig in the Twin Cities. Original bands can get gigs in town, but they don't pay. Paying gigs are usually about two hours out of town and the band brings lights and PA. By the time you've packed up and driven home it's 3:30 or 4:00 AM. Doing that for $100 loses its appeal pretty quickly.

In the Twin Cities, your best ways forward are playing in a Tribute band or playing something not really rock. Which is fine. I've decided I love playing, but I need to love the people I'm playing with and the material to do it on a regular basis. The money isn't really worth it.

KO
 
kraigo said:
I've said it before: A cover band simply can not get a gig in the Twin Cities. Original bands can get gigs in town, but they don't pay. Paying gigs are usually about two hours out of town and the band brings lights and PA. By the time you've packed up and driven home it's 3:30 or 4:00 AM. Doing that for $100 loses its appeal pretty quickly.

In the Twin Cities, your best ways forward are playing in a Tribute band or playing something not really rock. Which is fine. I've decided I love playing, but I need to love the people I'm playing with and the material to do it on a regular basis. The money isn't really worth it.

KO

You would think the twin cities would have enough action for cover and originals.

Well, the Milwaukee area is not very good for originals either.
 
I will add that the term covers band is not just reserved for rock bands. I have gigged for around 35 years and am still doing it. I have played no more than two or three original songs in all that time. Every band was a covers band. I have covered soul, blues, rockabilly, country, British r n b, Irish, Latino rock, classic rock and been in pop artist tribute bands.
My point, to the guy in the twin cities area.... diversify, you'll find work in the area without having to drive for hours.
 
You would think the twin cities would have enough action for cover and originals.

Well, the Milwaukee area is not very good for originals either.

I don't know the reason, but all the bars that provide live music want originals and multiple bands per night. I'm in a cover band here. We tend to play private parties rather than leaving town. The upside is that the bars in town provide the PA.

KO
 
kraigo said:
I don't know the reason, but all the bars that provide live music want originals and multiple bands per night. I'm in a cover band here. We tend to play private parties rather than leaving town. The upside is that the bars in town provide the PA.

KO
So, it sounds like MN is good place for originals. Those bars must have crowds or they wouldn't Be booking originals.
 

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