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Jamming with "Fresh" musicians

so you want her as a singer, but you're not sure if she can sing.... She may want to play a guitar, but no one's sure if she can... I think her being hot is confusing you :)

I'd continue jamming with her, assuming your band's ok with it... That way you show you're interested in her as a musician, and she gets what she wants... It also buys you time to see if she can sing and then maybe talk to her about it...

Or, best option... Put her on bass! chick with a bass looks very hot :)
 
so you want her as a singer, but you're not sure if she can sing.... She may want to play a guitar, but no one's sure if she can... I think her being hot is confusing you :)

I'd continue jamming with her, assuming your band's ok with it... That way you show you're interested in her as a musician, and she gets what she wants... It also buys you time to see if she can sing and then maybe talk to her about it...
Yeah. Imagine she's a guy. Now what are you going to let him do?
 
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so you want her as a singer, but you're not sure if she can sing.... She may want to play a guitar, but no one's sure if she can... I think her being hot is confusing you :)

I'd continue jamming with her, assuming your band's ok with it... That way you show you're interested in her as a musician, and she gets what she wants... It also buys you time to see if she can sing and then maybe talk to her about it...

Or, best option... Put her on bass! chick with a bass looks very hot :)
DITTO She actually picked up my bass and wasnt totally completely horrible... I can always play guitar parts I guess LOL

Well I know she can sing for her other band, I saw them performing, only thing about it is it sounded off as she was singing like 50's style meets gwen stephani and everything else was metal. Weird mix but I really want to hear what she can do with a song I wrote.

And her being hott is confusing me... you have no idea... its like DAAAAYYUUUMMMM... Like maybe just not have her sing or play guitar give her a tambourine they'lll be coming.... haha but along with that shes a local celeb kinda, has like every follower on facebook (them modeling pics doe) so it would be smart just as a new way to market shows... but yeah I'll sleep on it haha
 
And her being hott is confusing me... you have no idea... its like DAAAAYYUUUMMMM... Like maybe just not have her sing or play guitar give her a tambourine they'lll be coming.... haha but along with that shes a local celeb kinda, has like every follower on facebook (them modeling pics doe) so it would be smart just as a new way to market shows... but yeah I'll sleep on it haha
In all seriousness, if she joins the band it will not end well. Guaranteed.

It will probably have short term perks like getting you gigs, but the downside is HUGE. I hate to say it, but you really don't want to work with a woman that you are physically attracted to unless she is your wife or future wife. It's worse if she is one of the stunning ones. It's kinda sad, really, because it is a genuine form of discrimination that affects attractive women. But only smart men know that the discrimination is in their own best interest.

That is, unless she is your wife or you sincerely hope to make her your wife.

Biology is real. Ignoring it brings a world of pain.
 
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In all seriousness, if she joins the band it will not end well. Guaranteed.

It will probably have short term perks like getting you gigs, but the downside is HUGE. I hate to say it, but you really don't want to work with a woman that you are physically attracted to unless she is your wife or future wife. It's worse if she is one of the stunning ones. It's kinda sad, really, because it is a genuine form of discrimination that affects attractive women. But only smart men know that the discrimination is in their own best interest.

That is, unless she is your wife or you sincerely hope to make her your wife.

Biology is real. Ignoring it brings a world of pain.

I dont know about that... seems like the exact opposite, I mean look at Paramore. or really any band with a lead front woman, I know not to dip my pen in the company ink, even if she was "into me" or was just "doing whatever it takes to get in" I know better than to let my dick do the talking, if I was that easily manipulated I would have already offered her the part and told her anything she does is amazing... but yeah I have a girlfriend and she doesn't like the idea one bit, but I'm not a sleezebag I wouldn't want to jeopardize the band just over a piece of ass... no matter how hott... I was mostly kidding about me being confused, I mean I may be just a tad attracted to the attention. (I've seen "okay" bands with really hott front women and its ridiculous how some of those bands are doing for not really having anything too original to offer) So in that aspect I am biased, but if she can sing the songs we write and covers really well I will not hold her hottness against her I cant even see how that makes sense... unless I acted like an idiot and gave her complete control over the band which me and my band mate discussed would never happen no matter what.
 
She's got a modeling Facebook page? I think you owe us a few pics from there, so we can fully evaluate the situation :)

But yeah, beware the biology... And evaluate her for musical ability first. In-band dating/hooking up can be trouble... especially if several band members are thinking about it, lol
 
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I dont know about that... seems like the exact opposite, I mean look at Paramore. or really any band with a lead front woman, I know not to dip my pen in the company ink, even if she was "into me" or was just "doing whatever it takes to get in" I know better than to let my dick do the talking, if I was that easily manipulated I would have already offered her the part and told her anything she does is amazing... but yeah I have a girlfriend and she doesn't like the idea one bit, but I'm not a sleezebag I wouldn't want to jeopardize the band just over a piece of ass... no matter how hott... I was mostly kidding about me being confused, I mean I may be just a tad attracted to the attention. (I've seen "okay" bands with really hott front women and its ridiculous how some of those bands are doing for not really having anything too original to offer) So in that aspect I am biased, but if she can sing the songs we write and covers really well I will not hold her hottness against her I cant even see how that makes sense... unless I acted like an idiot and gave her complete control over the band which me and my band mate discussed would never happen no matter what.
Then you are stronger than me.

I'll just throw this out: You can have "an affair" without ever touching each other. The reason there are so many workplace romances (and cheating) is because people that work together actually really get to know each other. When a man and woman, in such an environment, reach a certain "chemistry", it can be poison, EVEN TO STRONG MARRIAGES. The way you avoid it is by preventing the chemistry from building up. And if the woman really is hotter than most, it amplifies the situation considerably.

I'm not saying it won't be fine. It's just that I can't emphasize enough that you really are playing with fire if you let her in the band. And I can justify that with one quote from your post: ...but yeah I have a girlfriend and she doesn't like the idea one bit, but I'm not a sleezebag I wouldn't want to jeopardize the band just over a piece of ass... no matter how hott...

You don't have to be a sleezebag to succumb. You need only be a normal, red-blooded male in the right situation. Sleezebags are the ones that bring her in specifically to get in her pants. The rest of us are just flawed men that sometimes make mistakes

BTW, I'm not talking from personal experience. At least, not completely followed through on, but I know the temptation and how distracting it can be. I'm 61 and have been around the block a few times. I've seen what has happened to others and, being a man, I know the heart of man. I see how it happens.

I'm just giving you a heads up. This is a real thing and part of the human experience.

Oh, and based on what you said regarding your girlfriend, if you let this girl in the band, you'll be looking for a new girlfriend sooner rather than later, regardless of what happens with this other girl. Like I said, I've been around the block a few times. This one is VERY predictable.
 
DITTO She actually picked up my bass and wasnt totally completely horrible... I can always play guitar parts I guess LOL

Well I know she can sing for her other band, I saw them performing, only thing about it is it sounded off as she was singing like 50's style meets gwen stephani and everything else was metal. Weird mix but I really want to hear what she can do with a song I wrote.

And her being hott is confusing me... you have no idea... its like DAAAAYYUUUMMMM... Like maybe just not have her sing or play guitar give her a tambourine they'lll be coming.... haha but along with that shes a local celeb kinda, has like every follower on facebook (them modeling pics doe) so it would be smart just as a new way to market shows... but yeah I'll sleep on it haha

If she's a local celebrity with lots of fans, she may be a draw. If her singing sucks, though, the very fact of being high-profile could blow up in her face, and in yours. She could become the local joke real fast. I wouldn't overemphasize the draw factor of a "hot" lead singer chick. If guys just want to look at hot chicks, they have other places to go. Women do respond to other women being attractive, but they also don't want to be overshadowed or threatened. What you want is a front person who can be Queen Bee of the Party, making sure everyone feels good about being there and having a good time. That requires both musical ability and stage persona. Attractiveness is a secondary factor.

As for the potential for confused judgment, a confession: I was really attracted to the singerbabe of one of my bands when I first joined. It was distracting, and created a situation with all kinds of land mines. Fortunately, I never stepped on any of them. As I got to know her better, and got a more balanced view of her overall abilities and character, I got over it. Now I just work with her like any other band mate. She's not perfect, but overall is a good frontperson. Bottom line; if you're personally attracted to her, keep your distance. Judge her potential contribution to the band as though she were a guy. Factor in personality and potential for drama as well as musical ability.
 
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Then you are stronger than me.

I'll just throw this out: You can have "an affair" without ever touching each other. The reason there are so many workplace romances (and cheating) is because people that work together actually really get to know each other. When a man and woman, in such an environment, reach a certain "chemistry", it can be poison, EVEN TO STRONG MARRIAGES. The way you avoid it is by preventing the chemistry from building up. And if the woman really is hotter than most, it amplifies the situation considerably.

I'm not saying it won't be fine. It's just that I can't emphasize enough that you really are playing with fire if you let her in the band. And I can justify that with one quote from your post: ...but yeah I have a girlfriend and she doesn't like the idea one bit, but I'm not a sleezebag I wouldn't want to jeopardize the band just over a piece of ass... no matter how hott...

You don't have to be a sleezebag to succumb. You need only be a normal, red-blooded male in the right situation. Sleezebags are the ones that bring her in specifically to get in her pants. The rest of us are just flawed men that sometimes make mistakes

BTW, I'm not talking from personal experience. At least, not completely followed through on, but I know the temptation and how distracting it can be. I'm 61 and have been around the block a few times. I've seen what has happened to others and, being a man, I know the heart of man. I see how it happens.

I'm just giving you a heads up. This is a real thing and part of the human experience.

Amen. If you fail to plan, you're planning to fail. Anticipate the landmines you can hit and their consequences, for you, for the band, for everything, and plan ahead how not to hit them.
 
Otherwise I was thinking of getting a heavier distortion pedal and basic loop pedal and see if she can just "hole" it. She's very attractive and has a really good voice but you can tell by her trying to play guitar its not helping.

However hot chick holding a guitar still adds a lot to stage presence... either way not sure if it would be wise to put in the extra effort to teach her, I mean granted she learned a lot and was very enthusiastic and willing to work through her mistakes but still...very...very fresh...

Also I heard the theory that if you jam with people who are better than you they'll learn faster, but by playing with someone who isn't as good would that make us crappier?

Am I the only one who read a ton more into those last 3 paragraphs than what was said? A lot of words and phrases jumping out at me there.

[edit] I'll put the edit in a new post.
 
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Then you are stronger than me.

I'll just throw this out: You can have "an affair" without ever touching each other. The reason there are so many workplace romances (and cheating) is because people that work together actually really get to know each other. When a man and woman, in such an environment, reach a certain "chemistry", it can be poison, EVEN TO STRONG MARRIAGES. The way you avoid it is by preventing the chemistry from building up. And if the woman really is hotter than most, it amplifies the situation considerably.

I'm not saying it won't be fine. It's just that I can't emphasize enough that you really are playing with fire if you let her in the band. And I can justify that with one quote from your post: ...but yeah I have a girlfriend and she doesn't like the idea one bit, but I'm not a sleezebag I wouldn't want to jeopardize the band just over a piece of ass... no matter how hott...

You don't have to be a sleezebag to succumb. You need only be a normal, red-blooded male in the right situation. Sleezebags are the ones that bring her in specifically to get in her pants. The rest of us are just flawed men that sometimes make mistakes

BTW, I'm not talking from personal experience. At least, not completely followed through on, but I know the temptation and how distracting it can be. I'm 61 and have been around the block a few times. I've seen what has happened to others and, being a man, I know the heart of man. I see how it happens.

I'm just giving you a heads up. This is a real thing and part of the human experience.

Oh, and based on what you said regarding your girlfriend, if you let this girl in the band, you'll be looking for a new girlfriend sooner rather than later, regardless of what happens with this other girl. Like I said, I've been around the block a few times. This one is VERY predictable.

Hmmm is there a reason why you are now in a band with your wife?? LOL Kinda like when couples get joint facebook accounts... its like hmmm guess who cheated... haha JK JK

All very true, I dunno I guess when it comes to music, especially the possibility of eventually making money this way, that is what I have passion and drive for, also I always wanted to be in a band with a front woman, its just the music I am into. now I mean if 5 years down the road we are making it good in the music world and something happens thats a new story but first things first the music.

If she's a local celebrity with lots of fans, she may be a draw. If her singing sucks, though, the very fact of being high-profile could blow up in her face, and in yours. She could become the local joke real fast. I wouldn't overemphasize the draw factor of a "hot" lead singer chick. If guys just want to look at hot chicks, they have other places to go. Women do respond to other women being attractive, but they also don't want to be overshadowed or threatened. What you want is a front person who can be Queen Bee of the Party, making sure everyone feels good about being there and having a good time. That requires both musical ability and stage persona. Attractiveness is a secondary factor.

As for the potential for confused judgment, a confession: I was really attracted to the singerbabe of one of my bands when I first joined. It was distracting, and created a situation with all kinds of land mines. Fortunately, I never stepped on any of them. As I got to know her better, and got a more balanced view of her overall abilities and character, I got over it. Now I just work with her like any other band mate. She's not perfect, but overall is a good frontperson. Bottom line; if you're personally attracted to her, keep your distance. Judge her potential contribution to the band as though she were a guy. Factor in personality and potential for drama as well as musical ability.

Well I'll put it this way with her singing. When I first jammed with my original band I didn't care for our singers voice, first impression it sounded like he didnt think anything changed in the music industry since the early 80's. It was straight up classic rock but with new lyrics. Anyway eventually it grew on me, I never thought his singing was bad, I thought he was actually good it just wasnt my cup of tea. Anyway after we had some pro recordings made I submitted them to reverbnation crowd reviews and the verdict was get a new singer this guy is batpoopie horrible and pathetic. a few people didnt mind the singing, but to new listeners, it just stuck out and I had no idea. I mean I listen to Hole and Bob Dylan for christs sake bad singing doesn't really stick out to me, but now a days listeners have an ear for vocals, they look into it more than any other element. Personally my ears respond to bass drums and guitar, the singing comes last but that's me, most everyone else is focused on the lungs.

So although I think shes a fine singer, I really do, but does she have the professional chops to go pro? Well have to see and I may even try to get a person that can help me with that because I'm not sure if I can tell a good singer from a great one. To me as long as you're not flat or cracking your voice its all good.

Also worth mentioning she is nice and charming to EVERYONE. Compared to my old singer she is a delight to be around, its actually funny because she brought that up while we were talking about one of our past shows. She mentioned she didnt care for how the old guitard ignored her when she complimented him. I said "Yeah he can be a bit of a diva from time to time." She responded "No he's a complete sociopath, if someone compliments you and tries to start a conversation, unless your busy you dont ignore them or walk away, I deal with a bunch of creeps I have to be polite with just so I dont look like a bitch theres no reason for any musician or artist to be so rude to a fan, how do you expect people to go to shows if you act like an ass to everyone except your friends?"

Actually brought up a pretty huge red flag I missed... I never thought he was that bad, but in hindsight he was flat out rude to my girlfriend and would do this thing where he'd walk away halfway through a conversation which got annoying... OS I guess thats another pro on letting her join, girls got crowd experience and is not a total dick +1. LOL
 
After reading some responses I changed my original post.

I think you should go with whatever you value more. Your girlfriend, or your band.

And if you want both, then you'd best step out of the role of the one who's going to teach her.

I've read numerous posts about bandmates kicking hot chicks out of bands because of members girlfriends but I never understood it fully, I figured they where just extremely whipped.

I suppose I could just put it in tabs and not do the whole "teaching" thing. It would probably save more time anyway but yeah you are right it's like walking on eggshells

Simple solution: record your next practice, then sit down with her to review it. If it sounds awful, then you've got your answer (and hopefully there will be no hard feelings).

Also, why are you spelling "hot" with two t's?

Great Idea.

on the t's idk

Otherwise people may think she's literally hot like running a fever? lol just kidding I have no idea
 
There is nothing wrong with having 3 guitars as long as they all know when to play and more importantly when not to. More lead instruments means more restraint required on their part (and sticking to song arrangements).

The problem I have found with multiple guitarists (apart from getting them to turn down) is that they usually think they have to play all the time (this condition can also apply to and harp players and has afflicted almost every keyboard player I have ever worked with). This is one reason why I much prefer the guitar/bass/drums trio format.
 
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Hmmm is there a reason why you are now in a band with your wife??
My wife is not musical at all. She doesn't even go to gigs. It's my personal hobby outlet. But I'll tell you about the last band I was in:

A husband and wife were in the band and the wife is about ten years younger than me and very attractive. She made comments in front of her husband about me that made me very uncomfortable. They made my wife uncomfortable when she heard about them too. But My wife's attitude is, "well, she's right, but still." My wife really liked the woman except for this one thing. She trusted both of us but she also knows human nature. :)

Anyway, her husband kept bristling in very subtle ways. And to cut to the chase, I quit the band (it was very positive. I was able to use the justifiable excuse regarding distance to rehearsals). And the funny thing is, this woman and my wife are still very good friends and do shopping trips together to Lexington and Louisville.
 
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There is nothing wrong with having 3 guitars as long as they all know when to play and more importantly when not to. More lead instruments means more restraint required on their part (and sticking to song arrangements).

The problem I have found with multiple guitarists (apart from getting them to turn down) is that they usually think they have to play all the time (this condition can also apply to and harp players and has afflicted almost every keyboard player I have ever worked with). This is one reason why I much prefer the guitar/bass/drums trio format.
I'm in a band that has a keyboard player and he even plays on songs where, truth be told, piano totally ruins the vibe of the song.