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KT88 replacement

See the schematic in post #9. Each tube is individually fused and has it's own circuit to monitor cathode current and display the tube's operating status.
My comment was more of a general statement because there are some bias circuits that sum the currents and some that average them and some that sample only 1 or 2.

With some of the servo-bias circuits, you wouldn't have any idea that something was wrong until the remaining tubes "automatically" baked themselves to death.

I have studied output tube biasing schemes to death, including all kinds of advanced schemes that include feedback to determine if and when there is a fault so that the amp can be shut down to prevent additional damage. For example, monitoring screen and plate (or cathode) currents as well as voltages to determine when faults might be actively occurring. I even developed a circuit that allowed for the shutdown of the B+ in the event of a serious overcurrent fault without blowing fuses or opening resistors.

These days, I am so focused on improving the performance potential of class D platforms that I don't do much with tube output stages anymore.
 
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My comment was more of a general statement because there are some bias circuits that sum the currents and some that average them and some that sample only 1 or 2.

With some of the servo-bias circuits, you wouldn't have any idea that something was wrong until the remaining tubes "automatically" baked themselves to death.

I have studied output tube biasing schemes to death, including all kinds of advanced schemes that include feedback to determine if and when there is a fault so that the amp can be shut down to prevent additional damage. For example, monitoring screen and plate (or cathode) currents as well as voltages to determine when faults might be actively occurring. I even developed a circuit that allowed for the shutdown of the B+ in the event of a serious overcurrent fault without blowing fuses or opening resistors.

These days, I am so focused on improving the performance potential of class D platforms that I don't do much with tube output stages anymore.

I get your comment was generalized, which is why I referred to the schematic.

FYI, Per the Operator's Manual, the amp is designed to blow a few fuses in the event of tube failures, and continue to operate temporarily with the remaining good tubes.

Comments on the bias schematic suggest that the LEDs light if the bias is out of range. I believe constant red would indicate a tube is running too cold or totally off, and constant blue would indicate a tube is running too hot. If any of the blue LEDs are constantly on I suggest turning the amp off and taking it too a tech.

@Former Rogues my best advice is take the amp to a tech. Barring that, I suggest you carefully read pages 17-19 of the Owner's Manual (OM). It provides troubleshooting advice and also recommendations for replacing the tubes. Basically if you use the same type and grade of tubes that are in the amp, you should be able to simply install new tubes and keep rocking unless the amp has a problem that needs to be repaired.

I do suggest checking to see if the amp already has blown fuses associated with any illuminated red LEDs. The OM suggests replacing the fuse with the same type and rating of fuse. If the fuse blows again it suggests a tube problem, and the manual says to replace the tubes with the same type and grade of tubes.

It is possible that a bad tube can damage surrounding circuitry before the fuse opens. A tech would open the amp and do an inspection before installing new tubes. That way there is less risk of damaging brand new tubes or doing further damage to the amp.

One way to mitigate the risk a bit would be to use the old tubes in your amp to confirm all of the tube sockets are working properly. Say the amp has blown fuses in sockets 1 and 2, you could assume the tube are bads rather than testing by installing new fuses and seeing if they blow again. To test the tube sockets install a fresh set of fuses and move the working tubes from sockets 3 and 4 to sockets 1 and 2. If all tube sockets test good, buy two more tubes with the same characteristics as your existing tubes. Keep in mind this posses more risk to the amp and your old tubes than if a technician opens the amp and does proper troubleshooting.

The OM says you can buy tubes from Laney dealers. Also I believe you will be able to order tubes with the correct characteristics directly from TAD, since that is the brand of tubes shown in the OM.

Here is an image of a TAD KT88

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KT88-STR is the model. TAD has sold various models of KT88s, so see what is in your amp, and try to get the exact same type if possible. Currently it looks like they only sell KT88-STR and KT88-STR Black Plate. It's hard to read the labels in the manual, but it looks KT88-STR to me.

A98 11A I believe is just manufacturing and batch number data. I don't think you need to be concerned with this, but you never know.

PC is plate current
TC is transconductance

PC and TC are the most important characteristics to match the tubes. If TAD no longer sells the same exact model that is in your amp, they should be able to still provide tubes with PC and TC characteristics that are compatible with your tubes (providing your amp has TAD tubes).

Most tube vendors grade and match tubes using PC and TC, but there is no agreed upon testing standard. So if you want to try and replace the tubes without going to a tech, the tubes need to be matched by the same company that matched the tubes in your amp. So if your amp has TADs, your probably in luck. If the tubes were matched by a different vendor, use the other vendor for best matching.

Keep in mind the tubes in your amp are old, so the PC & TC characteristics may have drifted from when they were tested. This is why it may be better to just buy a whole new set of tubes (or at least a full matched quad) and keep your old tubes as spares.

Regarding the popping noise your amp is making. Turn the volume control all the way down. The volume control is at the very end of the preamp, so if the noise stops when the volume is turned to zero the problem is not in the output section. If the problem continues, you could try turning off the output tubes in pairs by powering down the amp and pulling the fuses associated with the tubes you want to power off. Power the tubes off one pair at a time, and specifically pull the fuse for one odd numbered tube and one even numbered tube, in order to keep the current balanced in the output transformer.

When you turn the amp back on, monitor the status LEDs and listen for problems. If anything weird happens turn the amp off immediately. If you are only running a total of 4 tubes in the amp, the impedance the amp expects is doubled. I.E. a 2 ohm output becomes a 4 ohm output, a 4 ohm output become an 8 ohm output, and an 8 ohm output becomes a 16 ohm output.




 
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does it look like a factory set or at least matching set of tubes

someone else might have already popped in a pair of new tubes
to fix the same issue. few lights go to red and to save money only few were changed.

the quick swap could be the same sockets with lights on
or the quick swap is causing other tubes to have problems

unfortunately the cost of just 2 tubes is high, even more so 8

you want a tech to look at it
not only test and balance the tubes but set bias correct.

likewise be good to check solder connections and resistor drift
since bad tubes can hammer them. or fault circuits can read incorrect from them.

if you real lucky the tubes need to be reseated from coming loose from vibration/ transportation
or if your unlucky the sockets suck. and ill assume they suck
 
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the lights should flicker between blue and red with signal.

if it stays in the red then its assumed a fuse has blown.

laney recommends checking and replacing the fuse.
then if the fuse blows again the tube is suspect.

no red light or blue light means the tube has completely failed.

likewise Laney says they " grade" the tubes.
I dont know if they grade them by color or a number system.
but they say you can replace suspect tubes with correct graded tubes.

which is somewhat similar to what a tech would do, to find out where the tube sits.
obviously thy have a grade system of some sort for current draw and with individual bias.
using a correct graded tube is probably a system to save you money or tech time.

I would contact Laney service center to find out what graded tubes are in your faulty sockets.
and then replace most likely with the same tubes.

according to laney you wont need to do this until you replace the red lighted sockets with new fuses first.

which im sure will blow the fuse on some people aroud here ....LOL
since they are actually using 5 watt resistors for grids, and actually using plate and cathode resistors, and real actual fuses to protect the amp. they seem far far far ahead of ampeg lol
 
Just chiming in here. Do contact Laney. They are a fantastic company to deal with and are very helpful. They may even arrange shipping back to HQ for a good price to check things out. They do in the UK, but they must have something in place for international customers.

I have had 2 Nexus Tubes and have used there postal service a couple of times as they don't have a service centre network. All servicing is done at HQ.
 
I took a look at the owner's manual for your amp and it does not include a bias procedure. The manuals show TAD branded tubes.

I did find a bias schematic for the amp. It actually shows most of the circuitry for the output section. Each output tube is fused and has a blue and red indicator LED.

The amp does have internal trimmers for bias and bias balance, but it also has trimmers for heater hum balance, phase inverter balance, and also a bias control for the circuit that powers the LEDs. So with five trimmers, you really need to know what you are looking at.

The notes on the schematic say the red LEDs indicate a fault and the blue LEDs indicate signal. I suspect bias is set somewhere between where all of the red LEDs turn off and all of the blue LEDs turn on. Unfortunately I can't tell you the exact procedure, so my recommendation is find a tech who knows the amp or can get the tech manual from Laney.

Owner's Manual and Bias Schematic attached if you want them.
I'll say this: the owner's manual for this amp is one of the better one's I've seen. A clear description of the features, an explicit section on selecting and connecting speakers, suggested EQ settings, a block diagram, troubleshooting flow chart and even part numbers for replacements. Very thorough without being too cluttered.

But why am I even looking at this?
 

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