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Double Bass Lee Konitz Bill Evans Quartet

Well well...nice goin' man. Thanks. My observations...IMO, etc, etc.
Forgive me for sounding like I have some certain memories of this period in Bills life, because I just do, having played with him right before this time.
This was probably in London or somewhere in Europe at the time when the youtube stuff was done with Alan Dawson on drums.
Kevin I don't hear the similarities that you mention between Scotty and NHOP. Many good bassists were playing in this style, maybe not at this level, but with that more open feel.
I much more enjoy NHOP's work from this period of no PU, amp or technical wizardry.
As we all know, Bill and Scott had a deep connection that goes way beyond any verbal communication.
To be truthful i'm only really comfortable listening to Bill with himself, Jim Hall, Scott and a few of the old masters like Percy, Paul, Sam etc. Thas' just me.
I will say that Bill didn't sound as comfortable as he could of for some reason. Curious why he only played one chorus on How Deep? When I hear those block chords, it just makes me want more.
Do me a favor and go back to the Vangaurd stuff and listen to Bill and Scott on Detour Ahead. I think you'll hear what I mean.
Lee sounds great as usual.
IMOP, only speaking for myownself......Thanks.
 
Well well...nice goin' man. Thanks. My observations...IMO, etc, etc.
Forgive me for sounding like I have some certain memories of this period in Bills life, because I just do, having played with him right before this time.
This was probably in London or somewhere in Europe at the time when the youtube stuff was done with Alan Dawson on drums.
Kevin I don't hear the similarities that you mention between Scotty and NHOP. Many good bassists were playing in this style, maybe not at this level, but with that more open feel.
I much more enjoy NHOP's work from this period of no PU, amp or technical wizardry.
As we all know, Bill and Scott had a deep connection that goes way beyond any verbal communication.
To be truthful i'm only really comfortable listening to Bill with himself, Jim Hall, Scott and a few of the old masters like Percy, Paul, Sam etc. Thas' just me.
I will say that Bill didn't sound as comfortable as he could of for some reason. Curious why he only played one chorus on How Deep? When I hear those block chords, it just makes me want more.
Do me a favor and go back to the Vangaurd stuff and listen to Bill and Scott on Detour Ahead. I think you'll hear what I mean.
Lee sounds great as usual.
IMOP, only speaking for myownself......Thanks.

oh man. such a great post. you are right. they are playing in similar styles, but NHOP and Bill don't get quite as close to the communication that Scotty and Bill share.

I guess what I was trying to say is that it seems like NHOP tries to sound more like Scotty due to the fact that he is with Bill

So great to hear an opinion on this from someone who has actually played with Bill.
 
I loves me some Bill Evans. I am watching the Jazz Icons video of him which includes stuff from 63-74. For me he is one of the most compelling, mesmerizing and inspirational performers, and watching as well as listening just transports me. This is a worthwhile investment if you don't already have it. Included in this are the 3 tunes from that Berlin concert with Konitz. (EDIT: The video is different from Kevin's download.)

There's also another video from a concert which was billed as a "Jazz Piano Workshop" in which Evans shared the bill with Earl Hines, Teddy Wilson, Tristano, and Somebody else I'm forgetting. Anyway, he plays Beautiful Love with young NHOP and Dawson. On this occasion Bill sounds to me quite comfortable and in command. I was also struck by how slick, relaxed, and utterly swinging Alan Dawson is.

Listening back again I notice the tunes speeds up considerably. Oh well, many of Bill's performances did. It's interesting to observe NHOP's completely vertical right hand technique. I like him on guts and no amp, too. I agree that on this cut there is not anywhere near the kind of telepathic interplay that exists on the Vanguard date with Scotty, but I think there are similarities in NHOP's solos and sound production during this stage of his development.

At any rate it's all subjective and fascinating. The stuff on the Icons video with Eddie is very cool.
 
Yeah T, that's a nice one.
Another observation...again, I don't wanna sound like I'm into tearing musical performances apart. The reason I am kinda doing this is in the interest of our younger players, like Kev...tryin' to maybe give my perspective from the time I worked with Bill and Joe.
I was about 23, and I'm thinking Niels was about the same age at this point. I was hanging on by my shirttails, just trying to make it through the gig each night without dying of fright or from a musical overload of pure beauty. Only a rare remark from Bill of "yeah Paul", after a bass solo, kept me from running away, screaming, into the night.
Niels was already an established, internationally known jazz bassist. He was way more advanced than me in so many ways.
Anyway, when you have a verbal conversation with another person, hopefully, you don't plan out the In's and outs of where it's gonna go....For me, it's the same with playing music with another person. As Ed often says, you can only be yourself.
With Philly Joe Jones on drums, our musical conversation was a bit different right outta the gate, from the clips with Alan on drums. Bill and Joe were very tight, personally. They knew each other very well, and had a whole lot in common. I doubt, but don't really know, that Bill and Alan had this intimate connection.
Alan, to me plays a bit understated, prolly because of Bill's overrated rep for being so sensitive in his playing. This, in turn, IMO, made Bill pull back in regards to his sound on the piano. Joe knew that Bill could rise to a more aggressive attack in his touch. I've mentioned on the board, when asked what was the first thing that came to my mind when I first played with Bill....that was his sound. I was shocked at how BIG it was. This, to me, was a combination of his fantastic touch and the way he voiced his chords. Most of this was due, prolly, to Joe being on board. To further demonstrate my point, you don't hang with Miles, Cannonball, and Trane and escape with your life with some kind of ultra sensitive touch on a piano.
Rather than using brushes, like Alan does, in the clip above, Joe would, sometimes, use sticks right off the bat. This changed the approach to the tune dramatically. It also shows Scott's abilities to rise to the ocassion, in terms of his sound and swnging in four, kickin' ass all the way on some black market tapes I've heard of Bill Scott and Joe.
IMHO. And please don't take ANY of this as gospel. This is just the way I saw it as a young, frightened, but awestruck, jazz bassist.
 
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Paul, one again thanks for sharing a life experience like that. Playing with Bill at 23. Wow! Where you ever able to enjoy performing with Bill or was the feeling of running screaming into the night always there? Where you ever able to just relax and let the experience wash over and take you away?

I really like all these posts from everyone when you all take something apart. Perhaps that's too strong a way of describing what's happening but it certainly helps me hear.
 
Bill Scott and Joe.
Man would I love to hear that!

Paul, thanks for this great insight about Bill and his various trio mates. Your comment about Philly Joe pushing Bill in terms of sound and swing is right in line with my opinion that the best "accompanists" always know how to simultaneously lead and follow, when to do more of one than the other, and how to spur on your bandmates without stepping on them.

Are you familiar with this one? http://www.emusic.com/album/Bill-Evans-On-Green-Dolphin-Street-MP3-Download/10605462.html. It was released some years after it was recorded, apparently Bill thought it was a good representation of PC's work. Interestingly, Philly plays a lot of brushes on this one!:hiding:
 
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I don't wanna hijack this thread.
If you want some info on my time with Bill, check out Bob Branstetter's thread, Paul Warburton on playing with Bill Evans.
Under Miscellaneous I think.
Thanks.

To make things easier for folks:
Paul Warburton on Working with Bill Evans

I just watched that video on youtube of NHØP with Bill Evans. I agree what others are saying about NHØP's sound back in the 60s. On some of those records with guys like Dexter Gordon he had one of the biggest sounds out there. For some reason, on the youtube video of him with Bill Evans I hear as much of Chuck Israels' sound as Lafaro's in NHØP's playing. On the other hand it really just sounds like NHØP. Even if he didn't sound great (which he does) I'd probably have to cut him some slack, because by my calculations NHØP is only 18 or 19 on that video (!!!!).
 
To make things easier for folks:
Paul Warburton on Working with Bill Evans

I just watched that video on youtube of NHØP with Bill Evans. I agree what others are saying about NHØP's sound back in the 60s. On some of those records with guys like Dexter Gordon he had one of the biggest sounds out there. For some reason, on the youtube video of him with Bill Evans I hear as much of Chuck Israels' sound as Lafaro's in NHØP's playing. On the other hand it really just sounds like NHØP. Even if he didn't sound great (which he does) I'd probably have to cut him some slack, because by my calculations NHØP is only 18 or 19 on that video (!!!!).

Damn it. :atoz:

Thanks, again for the link Michael.
 
I don't wanna hijack this thread.
If you want some info on my time with Bill, check out Bob Branstetter's thread, Paul Warburton on playing with Bill Evans.
Under Miscellaneous I think.
Thanks.

Thanks Paul,

I very much enjoyed your recollections. They are filled with humor and humility! What an amazing experience. In my years in the music biz I never ran into anyone that said "If I find some good ^&%$#, your gonna have to find a sub. Philly must have been something! Again, thanks so much for sharing this stuff. It is great. I'm sure you have a book in you about all your jazz experiences..:cool:

See Ya
 
Just listened to the track, thanks for posting Kevin. To me it felt like the band is pulling in a few different ways- Alan Dawson lays down a swinging 4/4 but NHOP wants to be more up front, Bill sounds tentative, Lee is doing his own thing.

An interesting contrast to this recording is the 'Live at the Half-note" sessions with Lee Konitz, Warne Marsh,Bill Evans, Jimmy Garrison and Paul Motian.