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Line Out help needed

#3
so it's an "insert" between the preamp and power amp? what brand/model is it?

+1 to what timmy said, but i suspect you could just plug the guitar cable in there and get a line out; you'd just short out the "amp in" part, meaning that the power amp part of the mixer head would not make any sound.
 
#4
It sounds like you are describing an insert jack.
That means that if you want to still have the power amp receive signal, and get the line out, you will need to short together tip and ring on a TRS plug.
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#5
That article was excellent, thanks for that!

My drummer told me that the festival's PA will only have mains, no monitors, so I want to bring my little Yorkville powered mixer and need both the direct out (to send to the PA) and the power amp (to power a couple wedges).

(Not that I can believe a drummer; luckily the show's in town here and I can check it out this morning since the first band goes on at 11am and we don't play until 5:30 tonight.)

I only want our two vocal mics in the monitors. So if the PA can give me two line outs for the vocals, I could plug those into two channels on the front of my mixer and I'd be fine.

Otherwise, I'll need to put the mics into my Yorkville to drive the wedges and provide a direct out to the PA. It sounds like what I need to do to NOT short out the amp is get a stereo Y cable and give the PA the "left" or tip mono cable and leave the other "right" or ring cable dangling. Correct?

In other words, I don't think I can use a regular patch cable with the "first click" method.
 
#6
You should be able to plug a TS plug just in to the first click, not all the way in, and get a signal without disabling the internal routing. That's a pretty standard way of using TRS insert points as direct outs.

I'm just pasting this from some random dude because I don't have a ton of time right this second, his information is correct:

Why DOES this work?

Generally (I say this because I am sure someone has encountered something sometime where this is untrue... but it is true 99% of the time) Insert sends are Half Normalled to Insert returns (in the recording world this is accomplished at the patchbay). What does half-normalled mean? Well there is a internal connection between the insert send and the insert return which allows voltage (your signal) to pass when nothing is patched it.

Half Normalled means that that internal connection breaks ONLY when patching into the return (Insert Return in this case).

Basically if you plug only into the insert send you have a copy of the signal which you can use however you like.

When the inserts are combined into one jack (like on your console) the insert send AND return is sent down the same TRS cable (two unballanced signals are being sent down your "ballenced" cable). By plugging it halfway in (to the first click) you are only connecting the insert send and not disrupting the internal connection to the insert return.
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#7
worth a shot!

my question though, is what kind of "festival" is gonna have bands trying to rig up their own monitors between each set? that just seems ridiculous, a recipe for hour-plus changeovers between bands.

anything like this i've ever played or even heard of has PA totally provided, monitors, mics and all.

if this really is a shoestring operation with house sound but no monitoring at all, you might have better luck getting a few mic splitter cables, splitting the vocal mics so that they go straight to the main PA and to your own "emergency monitor" mixer head, so you can set your own monitor levels while having no effect on the out-front sound.
 

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