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Double Bass Looking for a Combo. Considering AI Ten2
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I hope I'm not over staying the obvious but you could run more than one rig. I have an MB150S for quiet gigs and my Big E for anything moderate to loud.
Thought about that. But, the problem is I usually don't know the size of the gig or if they a PA until I get there. So, in the end, I would probably always carry everything around.
For years I have been using the GB shuttle 3.0 8T. I have played in groups as large as twenty with drums and percussion. This might not be ideal but the next step up to the 12" might be the ticket for one trip load in and out.
+1 Both Acoustic Image and Genz Benz came up with unique mounting solutions for
attaching their Class D amplifiers to lightweight speaker cabinets.
So it's a really different setup than a standard combo that other companies build. The heads and cabinets are high quality stand alone components.
Ric
attaching their Class D amplifiers to lightweight speaker cabinets.
So it's a really different setup than a standard combo that other companies build. The heads and cabinets are high quality stand alone components.
Ric
I havent played Genz Benz stuff in years but have heard great things about them.
I've also be considering doing a 12in combo in places of the 2 10's. Something maybe like the Shuttle 6.0-12T. I feel like the 12 may give the bottom end and volume I might need in just one cabinet. But there is also a "thickness" that having two speakers seems to give that I can't explain.
Any opinions?
I've also be considering doing a 12in combo in places of the 2 10's. Something maybe like the Shuttle 6.0-12T. I feel like the 12 may give the bottom end and volume I might need in just one cabinet. But there is also a "thickness" that having two speakers seems to give that I can't explain.
Any opinions?
If you can get your hands on one, I'd try to get the Shuttle 6.2 12T. They redesigned the Heads and Cabinets for the newer version. Ed demoed the head/cabinet in this video.
Invalid Link Removed. The one thing to consider here, is that Genz Benz only has a presence for repairs. They are no longer manufacturing products.
Ric
Hmm. Am I missing something? Alot of the GB stuff looks to be discontinued or unavailable.
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The UL112 is probably a cabinet you might like, especially since you're using two UL110's.
You probably have already obtained your desired solution but, if not, the AER Bottomline Amps One, Two, or Three will satisfy you. Each of these combo amps has power, bottom beefiness, and light weight. Amp One is only 30 pounds. 200 watts may not seem like a lot, but the sound is incredible. Check out the Bass Whisperer on you tube.
Just one more 10/2 perspective. I recently heard a fine double bassist using a 10/2 and a mic in a fairly large, good sounding room with piano and drums. In the audience, maybe 30 feet away, I could hear the bass, but with very little definition. I spoke with the bassist and told him he could turn up, which he did. The volume was a little better the second set but still not enough mids and highs, IMO. When I spoke with the drummer, he told me the bass was cranking on stage. Where I was sitting, you would never know that.
I still think forward firing speakers are the way to go. I've never heard a downfiring combo while in the audience that had the definition I like to hear. For more spread, you can always face a cab to the back wall. Surprising results.
I still think forward firing speakers are the way to go. I've never heard a downfiring combo while in the audience that had the definition I like to hear. For more spread, you can always face a cab to the back wall. Surprising results.
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i agree with this, but you would think that the ten2 would be different because it has that 10 inch speaker for the mids and highs facing front. maybe a 10 isn't the best for that frequency range. i think ive gotten better mid definition out of my old AI speaker with the 6 inch mid driver. on a tight stage i can lay it on its back so the 10 fires forward and the 6 incher fires straight up at my ear.
It would have been nice to work with his sound while I was in the audience position and find out what is possible with that combo and mic. It may not be the fault of the unit at all, but just the way it was setup that night. It was on the carpeted floor, maybe it would have had more presence up on a chair… I think 10s in general are fine for full range as long as they go up to 4-5k.
+1 on this (Ric has always been my go-to guy for good advice). I recently switched from a PJB Super Flightcase to a Genz Benz Shuttle 3.0 8t. I had been wanting to get my speaker up to ear level for a long time for better monitoring, and this little guy is so light (15 lbs or so) that I set it on a music stand with the book shelf tilted flat. The whole combo fits in my gig bag along with cables, tablet, etc. I can do a 1 trip load-in with gig bag, stool (both on a folding 2 wheeler) and upright on an end-pin wheel.
I use the house PA for additional house volume if necessary but would consider carrying a second cab to be available if there was no house PA and I need more volume.
+1 on the video of the 6.2 12T that Ed did (link above). I have really gotten spoiled with my 8T and would love to try the newer model sometime. Really a shame they're not made anymore but they do show up on TB (There is a 3.0 10T now).
If you can find another bassist locally who has one see if you can borrow it. I really love mine.
Shuttle 3.0 8T is a gem. I have been using mine for years and really like it. Only sounds bad when things get stupid loud and that is what PA support is for. I put a spring loaded handle on the bottom so you can angle it up.
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Just curious -- what were his EQ settings? Many fine players don't know how to set their EQ to get good sound; many boost the "bass" thinking they're supposed to, since they play a bass instrument. The fine art of tuning one's EQ to suit a good sound (and the rest of their band) is not something that comes naturally to most. "Turning up" a bad sound just makes the bad sound louder. Just wondering if you got a look at the knobs on the amp or not...
No, Mark, I didn't get a look. His sound wasn't bad per se, just not very effective, IMO. The main problem I think
was one we are all faced with…the way it sounds on stage vs. the way it sounds in the audience. Sometimes a less than ideal stage sound makes for a good sound out front, and vice versa. As I mentioned, the drummer led me to believe that the stage sound was loud and good. It just didn't come across that way out front.
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Thanks for clarifying; I was just wondering. Agree with your analysis that the way it sounds on stage is not always the same as what it sounds like in the audience. We recommend in our tip sheets to get someone else to play a few notes on your bass so you can put yourself in the audience perspective to hear what you really sound like out front.
There are just so many variables... and I guess that's why there are so many posts on Talkbass... ;-)
There are just so many variables... and I guess that's why there are so many posts on Talkbass... ;-)
