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Looking for Recordings: Fender J With Flats

Joe Osbourne on bass.

Not sure but I think everything he recorded was on his J bass, front pickup only.

Here are some notable exceptions - Joe Osborn used both pickups on the following tracks:
"Midnight Confessions" -The Grass Roots
"This Diamond Ring" -Gary Lewis and The Playoys
"One Less Bell To Answer" -The Fifth Dimension
"I'd Like To Get To Know You" -Spanky and Our Gang
"I'm A Fool" -Dino, Desi, and Billy- with lots of reverb...
"The Rain, The Park, and Other Things" -The Cowsills
and the masterpiece- "I Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In" -The First Edition- where he DETUNED his bass for the recording!
 
This- Spirit, Mark Andes on a killer sounding Jazz bass, strung with flats, and played with a pick, quite aggressively in the intro, and the second bass intro after the extremely bizarre 'jazz' section with some of the most ah, unique note choices I have heard yet.
The TONE he gets, is absolutely amazing in those two bass breaks.


 
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The Late Joe Long- a left handed bassist! On what might actually be, the very first lefty Fender Jazz Bass ever produced, a 1960 in Olympic White. He sold this bass on Ebay for $29,0001 about ten years or so ago.
This is from 1966. It sounds to me, like the original white felt understring, body mounted string mutes are still on the bass. Flats, and finger style, a great bass player, overlooked by many. Stack knob Jazz Basses have a slightly different timbre' than later ones. I'm really not sure why, but sometimes, you can hear it. The 'throaty' tone he gets here on this very short intro, is what I mean.

P.S., Joe owned and played the ONLY lefty Ampeg AEB-1 scroll bass made.


 

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Here are some notable exceptions - Joe Osborn used both pickups on the following tracks:
"Midnight Confessions" -The Grass Roots
"This Diamond Ring" -Gary Lewis and The Playoys
"One Less Bell To Answer" -The Fifth Dimension
"I'd Like To Get To Know You" -Spanky and Our Gang
"I'm A Fool" -Dino, Desi, and Billy- with lots of reverb...
"The Rain, The Park, and Other Things" -The Cowsills
and the masterpiece- "I Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In" -The First Edition- where he DETUNED his bass for the recording!
Very interesting! While I don't doubt you and it does sound like it could be both pickups on some of these (I def hear it on Midnight Confessions), how do you have this scoop?
Kinda makes ya wonder if he chose to use both pu's for tonal reasons, or if he was getting too much hum on those sessions with just the front pu and needed to dial it out (and that question, is pretty much peak TB:laugh:...)
 
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I am a truly mental- obsessed old guy, with studying the work of bass players and their work. I read a lot. And, I LISTEN, carefully to the nuances in tone. It's also part of my other vocation, I'm a Luthier.

I'm playing since 1967, and doing builds and repairs not long after that. We tap tone bass violin tops, to listen for certain things we want, or don't want in graduating areas. It's not science in the sense that we use our ears, and our knowledge of what things sound like, and how to get those results. There are many variables. I've worked on literally, thousands of Fender Jazz basses, from when there were no 're-issues' just stack knobs, and then, of course, the three knob ones. I've heard them all- right up to the elites, player series, professional series, custom shops, and all the other people making their versions of Jazz Basses, too. I own two Sire V7 five string Jazz Basses. I've worked on everything from Squier, Fender American, MIM, MIJ, CIJ, Korea, and even Indonesia and China. I own several Jazz basses- one a Fender Japan, and one a Fender Japan with an Allparts lefty neck, stack knobs and all vintage parts. I can say this conclusively.. even with some 'masking' of the bass in the track, by EQ, and compression- it's not that difficult to hear when someone is playing a Jazz Bass on both pickups full on.

The question you raise about precisely why Joe used both pickups full on, is quite valid. I was asked many times by recording engineers to 'put everything full up.' Noise was always an issue with solo'ed pickups. The solution was really simple, I'd rotate slightly in my playing position, and like a car radio under a bridge, the RF was nearly eliminated. All you need to do, is get a Fender Jazz Bass strung with flats, whip out a pick, and play along with the tracks yourself- switch back and forth from both, to neck only. You'll hear it right away.
 
I am a truly mental- obsessed old guy, with studying the work of bass players and their work. I read a lot. And, I LISTEN, carefully to the nuances in tone. It's also part of my other vocation, I'm a Luthier.

I'm playing since 1967, and doing builds and repairs not long after that. We tap tone bass violin tops, to listen for certain things we want, or don't want in graduating areas. It's not science in the sense that we use our ears, and our knowledge of what things sound like, and how to get those results. There are many variables. I've worked on literally, thousands of Fender Jazz basses, from when there were no 're-issues' just stack knobs, and then, of course, the three knob ones. I've heard them all- right up to the elites, player series, professional series, custom shops, and all the other people making their versions of Jazz Basses, too. I own two Sire V7 five string Jazz Basses. I've worked on everything from Squier, Fender American, MIM, MIJ, CIJ, Korea, and even Indonesia and China. I own several Jazz basses- one a Fender Japan, and one a Fender Japan with an Allparts lefty neck, stack knobs and all vintage parts. I can say this conclusively.. even with some 'masking' of the bass in the track, by EQ, and compression- it's not that difficult to hear when someone is playing a Jazz Bass on both pickups full on.

The question you raise about precisely why Joe used both pickups full on, is quite valid. I was asked many times by recording engineers to 'put everything full up.' Noise was always an issue with solo'ed pickups. The solution was really simple, I'd rotate slightly in my playing position, and like a car radio under a bridge, the RF was nearly eliminated. All you need to do, is get a Fender Jazz Bass strung with flats, whip out a pick, and play along with the tracks yourself- switch back and forth from both, to neck only. You'll hear it right away.
Right on. Yep, one of my Jazzes has well-worn Labella flats, and it sounds glorious with a pick. That's my single coil J. My hum cancelling pu one just doesn't do that "thing" so it has rounds. Drilling down even more into the nuance, I've discovered that I really love the sound of 70's pickup spacing with flats, even more than the 60's pu placement (blasphemy perhaps!). All testament to how many different sounds we can get with these beasts.
 
Very interesting! While I don't doubt you and it does sound like it could be both pickups on some of these (I def hear it on Midnight Confessions), how do you have this scoop?
Kinda makes ya wonder if he chose to use both pu's for tonal reasons, or if he was getting too much hum on those sessions with just the front pu and needed to dial it out (and that question, is pretty much peak TB:laugh:...)
Always thought Count Me In was done with both pickups, not Joe's usual tone.
 
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Always thought Count Me In was done with both pickups, not Joe's usual tone.

I am pretty sure that if Joe were still alive, and interviewed on what pickup settings he used on what tracks, with the staggering number of tracks he played on- he probably would not be as sure as we, the nutty, obsessed fanatics are. Yes, there's some tracks like with Gary Lewis, where it really sounds a lot like a Fender Precision/ and likely Carl Radle- but it's all Joe, and probably, both pickups full on.
Here's something that I believed for decades. I thought this great 1966 hit by Bobby Hebb, was the quintessential P-bass tone. Then, one day, I was REALLY listening. Guess what it really is?
Yup- a Fender Jazz Bass, with flats, and almost certainly, with the factory string mutes. Take a listen.

 


Two Classic Jazz with flats grooves performed by two masters of funky Jazz Bass.

In the dictionary where the word ‘Funk’ is listed, Hair by Graham Central Station should be the reference. What an exciting time it was back in the ‘70s discovering this wonderful music. This is where I cut my bass playing teeth, trying to play this stuff. It was a very steep learning curve in my new journey when I moved from guitar to bass. Hair is pure funk.
 
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In the dictionary where the word ‘Funk’ is listed, Hair by Graham Central Station should be the reference. What an exciting time it was back in the ‘70s discovering this wonderful music. This is where I cut my bass playing teeth, trying to play this stuff. It was a very steep learning curve in my new journey when I moved from guitar to bass. Hair is pure funk.

It was a great time indeed!
 
The Late Joe Long- a left handed bassist! On what might actually be, the very first lefty Fender Jazz Bass ever produced, a 1960 in Olympic White. He sold this bass on Ebay for $29,0001 about ten years or so ago.
This is from 1966. It sounds to me, like the original white felt understring, body mounted string mutes are still on the bass. Flats, and finger style, a great bass player, overlooked by many. Stack knob Jazz Basses have a slightly different timbre' than later ones. I'm really not sure why, but sometimes, you can hear it. The 'throaty' tone he gets here on this very short intro, is what I mean.

P.S., Joe owned and played the ONLY lefty Ampeg AEB-1 scroll bass made.


 
I am pretty sure that if Joe were still alive, and interviewed on what pickup settings he used on what tracks, with the staggering number of tracks he played on- he probably would not be as sure as we, the nutty, obsessed fanatics are. Yes, there's some tracks like with Gary Lewis, where it really sounds a lot like a Fender Precision/ and likely Carl Radle- but it's all Joe, and probably, both pickups full on.
Here's something that I believed for decades. I thought this great 1966 hit by Bobby Hebb, was the quintessential P-bass tone. Then, one day, I was REALLY listening. Guess what it really is?
Yup- a Fender Jazz Bass, with flats, and almost certainly, with the factory string mutes. Take a listen.



Which "Joe" do you think is on that recording?