losing weight

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Running burns more calories, but most tend to fall in the glycogen category, thus not great for weight loss. Keep in mind that at heavier weights, running can be very hard on the knees. Even as a light weight, I could usually feel the wear and tear on my knees after running a lot, which is why I don't run very often. Elipticals often ski poles to keep the arms busy and there's no impact.

And the glycogen reserves are restocked, so realistically, there isn't a huge difference.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Actually if you starve yourself it actually SLOWS weight loss, due to the body slowing it's metabolism to cope the expected future lack of food.

Eat slightly less calories than you burn, and spread it over 6-8 small meals a day... that keeps your metabolism running at its weight losing peak.

Which is why you make sure to have at a junk(ish) food day each week.

Starvation diets do work, as long as you don't go back to your previous diet when you've gotten to the weight you want. You will gain back an initial few lbs, but eating sensibly and keeping regular excersise, you'll be able to maintain it.

 

[spade2you]

Can't argue with results. I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Running is very effective at taking weight off, second only to liposuction.

You think I'm wrong? I know I'm right because I've had to learn a lot about athletic training for competitive road cycling. Most of the concepts apply outside of cycling.

 

[iamlowsound]

Can't argue with results. I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. Running is very effective at taking weight off, second only to liposuction.

You think he is wrong, but I KNOW you are wrong. Running is good for burning fat and taking weight off, but there are better cardio exercises for fat burning and weight loss.

lowsound

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

I'll agree with it being good but there being better options out there (Rowing FTW).

But I think a lot is to be said for something you enjoy doing. If it's cardio work you can't stand, then do another form of cardio in it's place, much more likely to stick with something you enjoy (and therefore more likely to reap the benifits of a long term healthier lifestyle), than something you don't enjoy but is optimal for weightloss.

 

[jp58]

Which is why you make sure to have at a junk(ish) food day each week.

Starvation diets do work, as long as you don't go back to your previous diet when you've gotten to the weight you want. You will gain back an initial few lbs, but eating sensibly and keeping regular excersise, you'll be able to maintain it.

Isn't all weight loss technically a starvation diet? The only way to lose weight is to eat less than the amount of calories your body needs for the day, and forcing it to use up its reserves. Isn't that starvation?


Back on subject: I've done Rippitoes Starting Strength a few years ago over the summer. It was a solid program and I came back a lot stronger for my Junior year of wrestling. Speaking of wrestling, from October to March my Freshman year in High School, I went from ~250 to 195 lbs. So it is possible to lose that amount of weight with proper diet and exercise.

Some tips: Watch your caloric intake. Know your BMI and how many calories you need to eat each day. Let yourself cheat one or 2 meals a week. I know that one sounds silly, but it is a lot easier to stay motivated knowing you get to order a pizza come Friday night. Always use appropriate form when lifting because form always trumps the amount of weight you lift. Better form will get you into better shape a lot quicker than poor form and throwing weight around.

Right now, a friend and I are doing a modified version of SS, and we go rock climbing or play basketball about 3 times a week. I'm losing about a pound a week, and he's putting on a little muscle.Basically we're racing to see who can make it to 220 lbs first, him from 185 or me from about 245.

 

[iamlowsound]

Isn't all weight loss technically a starvation diet? The only way to lose weight is to eat less than the amount of calories your body needs for the day, and forcing it to use up its reserves. Isn't that starvation?

Back on subject: I've done Rippitoes Starting Strength a few years ago over the summer. It was a solid program and I came back a lot stronger for my Junior year of wrestling. Speaking of wrestling, from October to March my Freshman year in High School, I went from ~250 to 195 lbs. So it is possible to lose that amount of weight with proper diet and exercise.

Some tips: Watch your caloric intake. Know your BMI and how many calories you need to eat each day. Let yourself cheat one or 2 meals a week. I know that one sounds silly, but it is a lot easier to stay motivated knowing you get to order a pizza come Friday night. Always use appropriate form when lifting because form always trumps the amount of weight you lift. Better form will get you into better shape a lot quicker than poor form and throwing weight around.

Right now, a friend and I are doing a modified version of SS, and we go rock climbing or play basketball about 3 times a week. I'm losing about a pound a week, and he's putting on a little muscle.Basically we're racing to see who can make it to 220 lbs first, him from 185 or me from about 245.

There is zero chance of him winning if he is strictly putting on muscle mass. He will be doing good if he puts on 10lbs in a year.

lowsound

 

[SteveC]

There are so many opinions on this subject. What works for one person won't for another. I think we can all agree you need to exercise. You need to eat right. Especially at a young age. Fads and diets are bad. Drink water. Lots of water. Contrary to what many say, carbs won't kill you. My wife has lost over 50 pounds since July by working out vigorously for 20 minutes a day and eating what she always has (we try to be conscious of what we eat) but watching how much. She eats pizza, cake and other treats, but she uses common sense.

 

[aborgman]

The only way to lose weight is to eat less than the amount of calories your body needs for the day, and forcing it to use up its reserves. Isn't that starvation?

No, that isn't starvation.

Starvation is a severe reduction in vitamin, nutrient and energy intake. It is the most extreme form of malnutrition.

Individuals experiencing starvation lose substantial fat and muscle mass as the body breaks down these tissues for energy.

 

[aborgman]

What works for one person won't for another.

Nope.

What works for one person will work for everyone.

More calories out than calories in, and you WILL lose weight. Doesn't matter who you are.

 

[ZachOrem]

You think he is wrong, but I KNOW you are wrong.

So you say... but what's this!?

Running is very effective at taking weight off...

Running is good for burning fat and taking weight off, but there are better cardio exercises for fat burning and weight loss.

You say I'm wrong, but agree with what is essentially the central point of my posts. I'm not wrong. Running is good, and no amount of cycling know-how is going to make cardio bad for destroying fat. There may be better exercise out there, but bar none going for a run is the most accessible.

 

[ksandvik]

Nope.

What works for one person will work for everyone.

More calories out than calories in, and you WILL lose weight. Doesn't matter who you are.

Yep, it's that simple math.

And in case someone thinks they could just get by with less eating and no exercise, I have fellow musician friends in their late fifties now having health problems like heart attacks and so on. Kind of sad, they could have a far longer career if they've exercised regularly.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Isn't all weight loss technically a starvation diet? The only way to lose weight is to eat less than the amount of calories your body needs for the day, and forcing it to use up its reserves. Isn't that starvation?

Depends on your definition, but you can run a slight calorific deficite and trick your body so that your metabolism stays the same.

If you push it too far for too long, everything slows down and your body tries to snatch back whatever it can (which is why if all you do is starve yourself you'll put weight on quite quickly again).

Right now, a friend and I are doing a modified version of SS, and we go rock climbing or play basketball about 3 times a week. I'm losing about a pound a week, and he's putting on a little muscle.Basically we're racing to see who can make it to 220 lbs first, him from 185 or me from about 245.

You should win, unless you completelly loose track and give up. Muscle growth (well, when you are past your teens) can range anywhere from 5-25lbs/year if you stick at it.

You say I'm wrong, but agree with what is essentially the central point of my posts. I'm not wrong. Running is good, and no amount of cycling know-how is going to make cardio bad for destroying fat. There may be better exercise out there, but bar none going for a run is the most accessible.

You said running was the best cardio, which is the point they are disagreeing with.

Difference between good and best.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Yep, it's that simple math.

And in case someone thinks they could just get by with less eating and no exercise, I have fellow musician friends in their late fifties now having health problems like heart attacks and so on. Kind of sad, they could have a far longer career if they've exercised regularly.

Yes and No.

1lb = ~3,500 calories

But the rate at which your body burns calories is not constant, which is why you need to watch your metabolism.

Which brings me back to the point of why you should have a junk(ish) food day (well, higher calorie) so that you keep giving your metabolism a kick.

Following the simple maths, that doesn't make sense. In reality, you'll loose weight quicker (well, more consistantly, for longer).

 

[ZachOrem]

You said running was the best cardio, which is the point they are disagreeing with.

Difference between good and best.

The difference can be subtle. Running (for me at least) is the best because it is easy to find time for it. Running to work, around the block every time I suffer a loss at Starcraft, at the gym before weights.

Working out sometimes is a passion easily killed, I know from experience. Best to keep it simple - at least from a layman's perspective.

 

[ksandvik]

Running is one of the easiest exercises, put on the shoes and out through the door with an iPod. No need driving to a gym and so on. Saves time.

 

[ZachOrem]

Running is one of the easiest exercises, put on the shoes and out through the door with an iPod. No need driving to a gym and so on. Saves time.

There's this one lady that drives her H3 to the gym every day just to jog on the treadmill for half an hour. I don't understand why people don't jog to the gym to work out. Baffles me.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

The difference can be subtle. Running (for me at least) is the best because it is easy to find time for it. Running to work, around the block every time I suffer a loss at Starcraft, at the gym before weights.

Working out sometimes is a passion easily killed, I know from experience. Best to keep it simple - at least from a layman's perspective.

Look at post #45, that's pretty much what I said.

There's this one lady that drives her H3 to the gym every day just to jog on the treadmill for half an hour. I don't understand why people don't jog to the gym to work out. Baffles me.

Maybe she prefers the atmosphere of the gym?
Maybe she prefers having some air-con?
Maybe being in there puts her mind into work-out mode?
Maybe she just prefers using a treadmill (as it is drastically different from 'real' running).
Heck, maybe the fact she is paying for the membership is her motivator.

Everyone has their own reasons for why they pick the routine they do.

I personally can't stand running most of the time, only really do it when I'm at Rugby prac, but that's on grass, and often more sprint based. At 6ft4, 260-265lbs, my knees don't like running on the hard stuff!

 

[spade2you]

Yep, it's that simple math.

Not quite.

 

[bassplayer1494]

Hello everyone, its nice to see that my thread got over 50 posts! anyways, today im doing my upper body routine, my thighs have been killing me since i started this, but i feel better now that im not eating all this crap. just before when i got home i had some pineapple, a turkey lettuce tomato and spicy mustard sandwitch on a slice of whole wheat bread and a few grapes and a few glasses of water. today i didnt eat cheerioes for breakfast only a banana.