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Low Tension Flats for Reggae!

Hey, weren't you Mr. Fact? :smug: Oh, and #@%& 432Hz: hail 444Hz! Re-read what I wrote at that speed, mein Freund, until you feel less persecuted. ;)

Mkay... Great point there, whatever it is, maybe get your own joke next time.

I’m realizing you really, truly don’t seem to get it.

That statement is not false but just an opinion ;)

What on earth does it matter if it is an opinion, if it contains something that isn’t true. The implication that a certain style of music is enhanced, or fits better, than any other style, by being tuned a few cents lower, is false, in that it *isn’t true.* It’s not a sin to feel that way, I’m not in the author’s thoughts so I don’t know exactly what he meant by it, yet the statement is still false, and was the catalyst for my other thoughts on the subject. Are you really arguing against that now? What is your reason for chiming in here again?

Oh jezz i regret ever mentioning microtuning. It always stirs up some heavy opinions.
Just play and enjoy grooving regardless of pitch..

Haha, really no harm done, as I said in my first reply, how you choose to tune is fine, the rest of my post was a PSA for people who have perhaps stumbled across the silly pseudo science videos and blogs regarding 432 Hz, 444 Hz, etc. As I have proven, you can’t always word everything perfectly the first time, boy I sure wish I hadn’t written the word “needs.“ LOL
 
Mkay... Great point there, whatever it is, maybe get your own joke next time.

I’m realizing you really, truly don’t seem to get it.



What on earth does it matter if it is an opinion, if it contains something that isn’t true. The implication that a certain style of music is enhanced, or fits better, than any other style, by being tuned a few cents lower, is false, in that it *isn’t true.* It’s not a sin to feel that way, I’m not in the author’s thoughts so I don’t know exactly what he meant by it, yet the statement is still false, and was the catalyst for my other thoughts on the subject. Are you really arguing against that now? What is your reason for chiming in here again?
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As I have proven, you can’t always word everything perfectly the first time, boy I sure wish I hadn’t written the word “needs.“ LOL
Oh, Jebus. Either you have an extremely convoluted way of saying "I was wrong", or I should try one last time.
Previously on this program:
you did say "needs". You accused someone of presenting opinion as fact. Which never happened, because no one had done so. I pointed it out. Your reply seems to be that words don't matter. If the case, pretty strange position for one so enamoured with fact. That now you concentrate on the merit of the opinion while acknowledging that it may have been, indeed, an opinion could be described as an instance of moving the goalposts, but then it would be the Internet Logic Police at it again, God forbid.
I don't care about 432 or any other pitch reference. 440 words fine for me, as does any other A4 we happen to follow unknowingly when there aren't tuning forks or digital tuners or keyboards around. A+ (the mark, not the note) to you for discussing pitch references: I already commended you for that, and implied I'm with you on that one, so, while I did understand your reread-at-432 snark earlier, it was misdirected nonetheless. Oh, and I'd respectfully point out you should follow your own advice and re-read others' posts before going up in arms.
I have no opinion whether or not tuning lower than 440 fits the nature of reggae; your being so decidedly opposed to the idea is noted. At least you're back to discussing opinions, and not accusing the opponent of shoving their opinion in others' throats. Which was my point all along.
 
Oh, Jebus. Either you have an extremely convoluted way of saying "I was wrong", or I should try one last time.
Previously on this program:
you did say "needs". You accused someone of presenting opinion as fact. Which never happened, because no one had done so. I pointed it out. Your reply seems to be that words don't matter. If the case, pretty strange position for one so enamoured with fact. That now you concentrate on the merit of the opinion while acknowledging that it may have been, indeed, an opinion could be described as an instance of moving the goalposts, but then it would be the Internet Logic Police at it again, God forbid.
I don't care about 432 or any other pitch reference. 440 words fine for me, as does any other A4 we happen to follow unknowingly when there aren't tuning forks or digital tuners or keyboards around. A+ (the mark, not the note) to you for discussing pitch references: I already commended you for that, and implied I'm with you on that one, so, while I did understand your reread-at-432 snark earlier, it was misdirected nonetheless. Oh, and I'd respectfully point out you should follow your own advice and re-read others' posts before going up in arms.
I have no opinion whether or not tuning lower than 440 fits the nature of reggae; your being so decidedly opposed to the idea is noted. At least you're back to discussing opinions, and not accusing the opponent of shoving their opinion in others' throats. Which was my point all along.

1) it WAS NOT clearly presented as an opinion. Even if it was, there were factual errors.

2) I DID NOT attack the poster.

3) I clarified my hastily written sentence, which was then received dickishly, by you, accusing me of using a logical fallacy, then telling ME to calm down, which was at least humorous.

4) Enamored with fact? I'm a teacher, just wanted to make sure people knew that tuning frequencies are not going to make a song mellow, magically or otherwise. You're the one applying this desire to clarify one fact, to everything in my life, and questioning my purity, based on one clumsy word.

Such is the way of the modern internet, my original sin of one clumsy word shall not be lived down, and shall ever be dramatically blown out of proportion... "accusing the opponent of shoving their opinion in other's throats." Phony outrage much? Holy cow.
 
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I play reggae for over 25 years now, and tried a lot of different flatwounds. In general, I love the DR flats the most because of the smooth tension (round core) and great sound. Other low-tension flats are too thin to get a solid bass sound, the DR's have the ideal balance.
 
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What about Dunlop Flats? Right now they are my favorite flats. They are definitely low tension, even though not as low as TIs. Sound wise, I find them kind of in the middle of the pack, not as bright as Fenders or Chromes, not as thumpy as GHSs. Not as Mid-Forward as TIs, but still very focused. Probably DR Legends are the closest sounding flat (I also love those), but Dunlops have lower tension.

These work well for reggae — thumpy, warm but articulate.

There are many possible reasons why that song is flat.

I don’t recall off hand where 3 little birds was recorded (but I know that at least some of the Exodus album was recorded in England at Island), but one reason many reggae recordings are “off” is because the tape machines in some of the studios in Jamaica were not calibrated regularly and therefore didn’t run the right speed. Channel One and Harry J’s were the main offenders
 
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What about Dunlop Flats? Right now they are my favorite flats. They are definitely low tension, even though not as low as TIs. Sound wise, I find them kind of in the middle of the pack, not as bright as Fenders or Chromes, not as thumpy as GHSs. Not as Mid-Forward as TIs, but still very focused. Probably DR Legends are the closest sounding flat (I also love those), but Dunlops have lower tension.
Based on my experience with them, this is a very accurate description of the Dunlops.
 
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Sorry, I know it's an old thread but I thought some of you might be interested, I just ordered a custom Fender 9050 set (45-65-85-105) from Strings By Mail, 35$ and a long waiting time to get them in from Fender (they told me 8-12 weeks), but if you send them an email they can do it for you.

Cheers
 
Sorry to warm up the thread.
Has any of you a sound sample or video link to a reggae tune that is played with TI Flats and preferably a Fender Jazz?
Can't find any bit it would help me a lot.

Best regards
Markus