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Macs vs PCs - is there really noticeable difference in latency?

what should we do?

  • Stay with your PCs , forget the Mac

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • Stay with your PCs, by Mac latter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sell PC, buy mac

    Votes: 9 30.0%
  • Buy 5 year supply of carrots.

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • Total voters
    30
Which is why I said tech savvy, not just for audio but for computers & software as well. Imagine having a problem with your piece of fruit; Apple Care? Because you can't open it up and fix/replace/upgrade hardware. But as I posted earlier I'm out of this thread, it's not something worth fighting over.
Audio is what we're discussing here. Not sure why you would want to separate that. It becomes a strawman. The inability to not open up and fix/replace/upgrade hardware is absolutely a valid concern, but one that has proven inconsequential to me across two MacBook Pros, and a Mac Mini. The only thing I've ever had to do was upgrade the RAM in my Mac Mini, which was an incredibly straight forward process with zero complications after the installation. Other than that the thought of opening one up to do work on it never crossed my mind because it was never a necessity. The three PCs I had before that were a different story. They weren't bad, just problematic. Well... This Dell PC I had was absolutely awful, but I blame Dell's crappy built-in infrastructure rather than the actual hardware for that one. Also, who's fighting?

and not to mention that i didn't even need to install a single driver for pc to work out of the box. win10 did it all for me.
This is an interesting point. It's cool to see that Windows 10 is doing this work for people to eliminate some of the confusion as to why a piece of hardware may not work immediately. That said, the reason I still prefer Apple on this front is that in most cases there's no driver required regardless of how it's installed (i.e. actively by the user, or in the background by the OS). As an example, Mackie drivers are notoriously bad on Windows systems. Mackie has even admitted this publicly. Their products require zero additional software to function properly on a Mac. I've had a couple of their interfaces (I still have a Blackbird, which is fabulous aside from the DA side being a little brighter than the source), and it was always literally a case of connecting a FireWire cable and you're done. On a Windows based machine a driver gets installed by the user or by the OS, and historically between Windows and Mackie, it's a gamble as to how well it's going to work, stability, crashes, etc.

Additionally, a lot of companies are moving their driver packages onto their website. Say you get a new device, hook it up and it doesn't work. The device predates Windows 10 and the OS can't find the correct driver online automatically. You fumble around with it, get frustrated, and then finally find a reference in the manual to the driver package you have to download and install. So you download it and manually install the driver. You're up and running. Great. What if it's a legacy product and the driver is nowhere to be found? You're toast. In a lot of cases you now have unusable, or at least unstable hardware.

Definitely a step in the right direction for Windows, but it becomes apples to oranges when you consider that they're streamlining a process that isn't needed by their competitor. I know I'm coming off as a shill for Apple, but when you get away from having specs control your purchasing decision, there are a lot of very good reasons for using Apple rather than Windows. I should mention that I use a Windows-based system at my office everyday in a pretty high capacity, so I'm no stranger to getting good results from it.
 
Thunderbolt is on Windows
And I heard rumors that iPads may be getting a couple of USB ports
I've heard of a few PCs with Thunderbolt, but it certainly doesn't seem to be taking hold on that side.

USBs on an iPad huh? Perhaps the upcoming "enterprise" iPad that's the size of a MacBook Pro. My wife was looking at one of those for her business, and the addition of USB connectivity would be a huge plus. I'll be shocked if it ever comes to fruition, but I think it would be a good move on Apple's part to allow it.
 
There's often a fine line between sharing one's personal preferences and proselytizing. Personally, to me this thread has been relatively free of the latter. These things definitely become a cultural thing though, no matter what one chooses. There are great advantages to immersing yourself in a certain way of interacting with your tools; this is especially true with computers. And the more you do that, the more your identity gets tangled up in the choices you have already made... it can cause a feedback loop if you aren't very careful (and even if you are... this I am unfortunately aware of from personal experience).

I am enjoying the Macverse, and while I always take pains to differentiate myself from the rabid, I guess I'm part of that world for the time being. In my work, I'm beginning to drift into the Unixverse, and a lot of my preconceptions there are melting away too. I used to sincerely believe that Unix was primarily command line and recursively complex not because it was an efficient and intelligent way to work, but because its practitioners enjoyed the smug feeling of superiority it gave them. And there too, there's a kernel a truth, related to the self-same situation: people get caught up in what makes them feel good about the way they do things, which blinds them to the validity of other approaches.

There's a political metaphor creeping into my brain as I type this, so that makes it a GREAT time to stop typing :-D. But again, thank you all for being adults.
 
Say you get a new device, hook it up and it doesn't work. The device predates Windows 10 and the OS can't find the correct driver online automatically. You fumble around with it, get frustrated, and then finally find a reference in the manual to the driver package you have to download and install. So you download it and manually install the driver. You're up and running. Great. What if it's a legacy product and the driver is nowhere to be found? You're toast. In a lot of cases you now have unusable, or at least unstable hardware.

That is highly improbable. As I've said , windows 10 has amazing backwards compatibility with old hardware that predates it. Even if it can't find drivers it will work in some "generic" mode. I've been windows user since win 3.11, and imho win10 is game changer in terms of recognizing hardware without drivers. my testament to that is over decade old yamaha sound card that worked on win10 from the start. i could not get it running in 7 or 8, and XP was a bitch to start with - i had to disable generic xp drivers, and then install proper drivers, again disable them, restart, restart, and reinstall again. and it would work for a while and then die all the sudden. I've had 2 of those sound cards with same problems. so it was not specific to that soundcard. but that thing had amazing midi sounds (especially the drums) . that was way back before, when RSE in guitar pro was considered "good".
 
Great! The notion of a "generic" mode is still cringe-worthy to me, but it sounds like they've made impressive strides with this new release. I'm on a Windows 7 platform at work currently, and have worked in... Boy... 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, and XP. I missed ME, Vista, and 8 entirely. For the work that I do, 7 has been as good as it gets for the engineering programs I run on a daily basis (AutoCAD, ArcGIS, XPSWMM, Microsoft Office programs, etc.). My IT department basically burns the room down anytime anyone asks about Windows 8, so I assume it was really bad, but have no experience with it. Maybe they'll move us along to Windows 10 one of these days.