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Man, prices for amps nowadays are insane.

The cost, and the willingness (and/or ability) of players willing to pay what it costs to build such products in the US and Europe is why we haven't been able to offer our amp/cabinet concepts at a price players are willing to pay.

The appetite for a $2k combo is very limited. I have looked at option after option, received over a hundred "strong" opinions from TB members who have advocated for light weight combos that are high quality but not necessarily Subway quality.

So far, I haven't been successful at an acceptable solution, but I am always open to hearing more suggestions.
You just have to come up with a way to mount your heads on your cabs like Genzler and Ai toward the end did. Although mostly used by DB players, AI combos after 25 years or even more, are still working and being used. I met a guy with a first gen contra and using them on acoustic and country band gigd. My Series III is already 20 years old and is on it's second Moradian bag. Yeah a lot of use to need a second bag.. When it dies I have Series IV + and a Doebleshot cab and then use that actively. Maybe I'll be dead before they die.
 
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It's interesting to note that from 2010 to 2020 stuff was pretty consistently priced, and people were making enough to where they could afford it. Post 2020 you have price increases 2-3 times a year for 6 years straight and people are still making the same money they were in the 2010's. So yeah every new live band gigs peaveys, squiers, and 90's ampeg stuff. I've straight up quit live music, I eat my gig pay in gasoline just getting to the gig.
 
I only bought one new amp in this life, when TC had a sale and a returned it as it was DOA. Then a Mesa Prodigy that was a floor model, so technically not new and I sold it more for cash flow reason. before I even really used it It looks like the prices on subways and JKs on the classified are fair to good, Most TB people take care of their gear. I have bought 2 times here and all good and wallet friendly. And if you get a Genz Benz -- there is a factory service program that is very reasonable.
 
Agree with many comments. I have both Mesa and Genzler gear. The price is more than justified because of the engineering, customer service and stellar performance! Due to some life changes, I was without a head and cab. I waited and saved until I could get the quality gear I have now! Light weight is a huge bonus for my back!
 
Not saying most things haven't gone up - I do the grocery shopping for our family, and damn...

But, not *all* music gear has gone up. 16 months ago I purchased through Sweetwater a set of GK gear for stage use.

$1,404 - Legacy 1x12 800w combo
$1,049 - 2x12 800w Neo IV external cab

Right now, no sale going on, they are $1,499 and $1,049. That's less than the rate of inflation even.

I didn't buy them specifically because they are made in the USA - I bought them because they mesh well with my playstyle and basses, and make me sound a bit badass. But, for those on the buy USA only bandwagon, this is the cost of doing business.
 
This is a new thread entirely, but I don't just blame TM/LN. Think about the way music is consumed now. Nobody's buying albums anymore; we all stream through Spotify. Part of the industry tradeoff is through ticket sales.
Yeah... not wanting to go too O.T. here, but:

It's incorrect to lay all of the blame on streaming too, but that is a big part of it. Plenty of people are buying albums, especially now that they are becoming wise to how much of a scam streaming is. They're buying vinyl, they're buying physical merch, and they're rebelling against subscription models in general. But even merch prices were affected by the merch split/cut models that LiveNation pioneered, which trickled down to independent venues as well. Merch prices had to rise to ensure the artist took home a fair cut. Now, many artists are demanding that venues drop their merch cut requirements. What LiveNation often put(s) in place at the top, makes its way down and informs the industry at large.

I don't stream through Spotify. Never have, never will. The decimation of recorded music as an income stream was done long before streaming became commonplace. Spotify wasn't available in the US until 2011, a decade after Napster, etc ushered in digital music theft. Streaming is the symptom of that shift, not the cause. And it certainly isn't the cure. It just helped to normalize the model of leasing recordings for pennies on the dollar, while making the consumer think their subscription fee meaningfully benefited the artists they streamed.

It's still possible to see plenty of bigger bands in venues which have nothing to do with Ticketmaster/LiveNation, but they aren't going to be your Taylor Swifts, Chappell Roan, etc. Most of those tickets for small to mid level independent local and regional venues are generally anywhere from $50-100 per ticket, depending on the artist. That said, even the smaller/mid-level artists that I know personally who keep their ticket prices reasonable often have difficulties breaking even for a tour even when they are selling out the small venues, house concerts, etc that they play, and they have solid draws. It's often more economical for them to tour solo or duo to save on expenses to pay additional band members.

I don't think anyone expects ticket prices to still be what they were 25-30 years ago, but it's clear that the control TicketMaster/LN have had over the broader industry has inflated prices much more than they might have moved without their monopolistic influence. That includes tickets, merch, and more.

-----> back on topic now.
 
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I am really happy with my Traynor SB112 that I got before the pandemic for about 450, but now I see the same exact amp for over 700. Couldn't / wouldn't be able to do that now. Supply chains, parts availability and general changes in manufacturing have caused all kinds of compression. Its really gotten crazy and agree on the current climate.
 
I'm casually searching for a lighter combo due to my rapidly breaking down body, and am just flabbergated at prices nowadays.

No flaming or shade toward anyone/anything, just wanted to share my sticker shock.
I bought my Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue for $875 or thereabouts in 2014. That same amp approximately 12 years later IS ALMOST TWICE THE PRICE at $1,700. I don't know it it's inflation or a money grab or whatever, but with the metric I just described, but if the curve holds, in 2038, this amplifier will be $3,400. Just a real world data point here.
 
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You just have to come up with a way to mount your heads on your cabs like Genzler and Ai toward the end did. Although mostly used by DB players, AI combos after 25 years or even more, are still working and being used. I met a guy with a first gen contra and using them on acoustic and country band gigd. My Series III is already 20 years old and is on it's second Moradian bag. Yeah a lot of use to need a second bag.. When it dies I have Series IV + and a Doebleshot cab and then use that actively. Maybe I'll be dead before they die.
Mounting the head to a cabinet is still close enough to $2k unfortunately, I've looked at this several times.

Costs of truly premium components have gone up a lot, premium Neo speakers especially. This is just one of the challenges...
 
The cost, and the willingness (and/or ability) of players willing to pay what it costs to build such products in the US and Europe is why we haven't been able to offer our amp/cabinet concepts at a price players are willing to pay.

The appetite for a $2k combo is very limited. I have looked at option after option, received over a hundred "strong" opinions from TB members who have advocated for light weight combos that are high quality but not necessarily Subway quality.

So far, I haven't been successful at an acceptable solution, but I am always open to hearing more suggestions.
I can believe the market for very expensive combos is small but I would be so excited if Mesa did make one. One feature that is a big deal for me is a built in compressor, to make it truly plug and go for my needs which would make it even more expensive
 
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The cost, and the willingness (and/or ability) of players willing to pay what it costs to build such products in the US and Europe is why we haven't been able to offer our amp/cabinet concepts at a price players are willing to pay.

The appetite for a $2k combo is very limited. I have looked at option after option, received over a hundred "strong" opinions from TB members who have advocated for light weight combos that are high quality but not necessarily Subway quality.

So far, I haven't been successful at an acceptable solution, but I am always open to hearing more suggestions.
I'd like an Ampeg B15 style valve amp that's 50W into 8ohm. (With a cleaner/more headroom input stage). One channel. Treble and bass control, volume. (Doesn't need an input gain, perhaps a toggle). High impedance input please. And a power switch on the front.
Doesn't even need a DI output - but should probably have one…
No frills.
Oh and available in England. I'd like it to cost less than £650.

The Ampeg PF50 has unnecessary features at the expense of the 'core' product and is expensive relative to what is desired.

I think you'd have a winner (selfishly, for
me)…
 
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Does Marc Johnson own this small and lightweight Ampeg Rocket combo? I don't know, but he sounded great on the tiny desk concert.
NPR has that as their in-house backline. (I think it was the RB112). My band played Tiny Desk last year. They also have an Epi' Jack Casady and. Fender P bass available.
 
+1!

Speaking for myself, musical equipment's prices have exceeded their value, especially boutique instruments.

I'll continue to gig with the gear I presently have, and if a need should arise, I'll go used.....they've priced me completely out of the new market.
Totally agree. I won't name names, but I saw one boutique builder top the 10k mark on new builds recently and as recently as 5 years ago this brand wasn't anywhere near that.
 
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I can believe the market for very expensive combos is small but I would be so excited if Mesa did make one. One feature that is a big deal for me is a built in compressor, to make it truly plug and go for my needs which would make it even more expensive
You are correct, it's not small… it's tiny.

I've looked at built in compressors in our amps several times, but one player's favorite is another player's worst choice… too divisive IME.
 
I'd like an Ampeg B15 style valve amp that's 50W into 8ohm. (With a cleaner/more headroom input stage). One channel. Treble and bass control, volume. (Doesn't need an input gain, perhaps a toggle). High impedance input please. And a power switch on the front.
Doesn't even need a DI output - but should probably have one…
No frills.
Oh and available in England. I'd like it to cost less than £650.

The Ampeg PF50 has unnecessary features at the expense of the 'core' product and is expensive relative to what is desired.

I think you'd have a winner (selfishly, for
me)…
Not going to happen even close to that price, built in the US or Europe…
 
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For the price you spent on those amps you could have bought a Mesa Subway 800D. Not your average Class D amp, it will easily stand up to any of those older amps and won't wear you out carrying them.
That's one of the amps I sold. That and an Aguilar 700. Both sounded wimpy compared to the older class A/B heads. And I got 3 heads for the cost of one. But that's off topic. I was simply stating that the IP could get an older amp and cabinet much cheaper than the new ones.
 
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You are correct, it's not small… it's tiny.

I've looked at built in compressors in our amps several times, but one player's favorite is another player's worst choice… too divisive IME.
Ya people are very picky with compressors, I always liked the ones Carvin had built into their heads such as BX500, I've struggled to find pedals that can sound that way
 
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I'd like an Ampeg B15 style valve amp that's 50W into 8ohm. (With a cleaner/more headroom input stage). One channel. Treble and bass control, volume. (Doesn't need an input gain, perhaps a toggle). High impedance input please. And a power switch on the front.
Doesn't even need a DI output - but should probably have one…
No frills.
Oh and available in England. I'd like it to cost less than £650.

The closest amp like that on the market today is Fender's ACB-50. Of course, it has two channels and a Fender tone stack, not an Ampeg one. $2100 here in the USA.

EDIT there's two of these for sale used in the classifieds for $1100, but they're not in the UK…maybe beat the bushes there looking for a used one?



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