Markbass New York 122 vs Ninja 122 (Technical Question)

[Reuptake]

Just when I think I have some of this figured out, I'm forced to ask what is likely a stupid question:

Both the New York 122 and the Ninja 122 are 800W cabs, but the former is 4ohms and the latter is 8ohms (but watts are watts). I'm not planning on putting more than one in parallel on a single channel, so really the resistance doesn't matter in terms of harm to my power amp. Is there any difference in listener experience between these two cabinets when they are both pushed within reason?

I guess another way of asking this could be: If you used a QSC GX7 as a power amp, with one of these cabs running from each of the channels, which cab would you prefer, or would it make any difference?

 

[Downunderwonder]

With your SS power amp presumably you are only concerned with volume. If the amp can push the cab to its limit at 8 ohm then you shouldn't hear any difference.at 4 ohms. The knob position changes and not a lot else.

It can depend what tone you are after with a tube amp.

 

[Reuptake]

With your SS power amp presumably you are only concerned with volume. If the amp can push the cab to its limit at 8 ohm then you shouldn't hear any difference.at 4 ohms. The knob position changes and not a lot else.

It can depend what tone you are after with a tube amp.

You are correct regarding my intentions. I do not rely on my power amp at all for tone. After reviewing the specs on my amp, however, I realised that I'm only pushing 725W per channel at 8ohms (1000W at 4). I'd rather run the risk of blowing up my cab than risk not finding its potential. Regardless, your answer makes sense and makes me feel like I'm not making an ignorant assumption.

Thank you!

 

[Downunderwonder]

725w is the clean amp power rating. The cab rating is a nonsense continuous high frequency power rating that doesn't account for the massive cone excusrions required to output that amount of power with real bass frequencies.

Cake is good. Vegemite is good. Nobody gets any thanks for Vegimite on cake.

Your amp is plenty powerful enough to destroy your 8 ohm cab with a normal bass signal if you don't listen for it farting out.

It seems less common these days, maybe the word has got out. 212 is loud enough until it isn't and then bad things can happen as it is already very loud and hard to hear the bass cab complaining.

 

[Reuptake]

725w is the clean amp power rating. The cab rating is a nonsense continuous high frequency power rating that doesn't account for the massive cone excusrions required to output that amount of power with real bass frequencies.

Cake is good. Vegemite is good. Nobody gets any thanks for Vegimite on cake.

Your amp is plenty powerful enough to destroy your 8 ohm cab with a normal bass signal if you don't listen for it farting out.

It seems less common these days, maybe the word has got out. 212 is loud enough until it isn't and then bad things can happen as it is already very loud and hard to hear the bass cab complaining.

Not quite sure what you mean by the word getting out. I've heard lots of great things here about 2x12 cabs, but the pickings are slim in the big box stores, which typically offer 10s or 15s. Are 12s more likely to fail for some reason?

For me the appeal is the amount of surface area and power handling squeezed into a 2x12 for the cost and size relative to 10s or 15s.

 

[Downunderwonder]

Not quite sure what you mean by the word getting out. I've heard lots of great things here about 2x12 cabs, but the pickings are slim in the big box stores, which typically offer 10s or 15s. Are 12s more likely to fail for some reason?

For me the appeal is the amount of surface area and power handling squeezed into a 2x12 for the cost and size relative to 10s or 15s.

When 212 neo cabs were the new thing there were many that found out the hard way what the limits of 2 twelves really were. It's not a case of weakness but when you add powerful amplifiers to overhyped expectations you can get blown drivers.

It seems you're looking at two cabs to go with a power amp + preamp setup you already own? That can work but you really have to mind you don't overdo it with that big amp. It will be hell loud! ( with two 8 ohm 212 cabs )!!!

Many of us get by just fine with a vertical stack of 210 cabs. The output of 4 tens, or 2 fifteens being roughly equivalent, is plenty to keep up with acoustic drumset. Playing with PA support you generally have to turn down rather than up.

I am a 210 vertical stack believer!!