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Markbass still not using B&C speakers

Heard a lot of good things about Barefaced and would love to try that cab, the super midget or the super compact. I have not seen them here in the states, but perhaps one day. In the meantime, my other main rig is a Fender Rumble V3 2x10 cab that weighs about 36lbs, is front loaded and puts out thick, clear bottom. Only downside is the horn is a little wimpy and sometimes I just turn it off or low like I do with the little LeSon tweeter on the Markbass. My dual NY121's sound great and take more power for bigger gigs, but I tend to favor the front loaded Rumble 2x10. At $349 here its a great value. The Eminence designed speakers are excellent. You'll find great support on TB in the Rumble Club as well for all things Rumble. Please let us know what you end up buying when that happens.
 
Yes maybe I shouldn't have used the term 'sold out' as I'm sure they believe their products to still be of high quality. However IF they have switched to MDF for the cabs that is poor show because, although debatable that this would be detrimental to sound quality, it certainly doesn't have as long a life as good quality ply! And ply, so I've read, has certain 'musical' qualities not possessed by MDF and most people assume that a 'premium' brand would use the better materials for cabinet construction. I guess it's a case of the player trying, rather than buying online just based on a brand name! By the way, how do you rate the Barefaced 2x10..? I've been looking at trying one!

I am not sure about MDF vs ply... yeah, I expect ply is more durable, but I can't imagine a situation where that would affect the actual life-span of the cab, or sound for that matter: as long as it's rigid, and for that you have adequate interior bracing etc, it should not matter what it is made of. Unlike an acoustic guitar, the walls of a cab are not designed to vibrate and resonate, all the opposite, designers try hard to make it as rigid as possible.

I've read 'complaints' about MB Little Mark heads moving from a big transformer power supply to something else smaller and... different. But I've owned those heads from before and after the change and I can't say I notice any substantial difference. I just think people find that a maker uses a cheaper way to build something and immediately think "lower quality", when it's not necessarily so. Some people have their own personal observations and they think there is a difference (whether real or not), and that's cool. But a lot of people just perpetuate what they hear/read without personal experience and that's not so helpful, even if the intention is good, I don't question that for a minute! :)

The Two10 is fantastic.
I've owned the Gen2 Compact and two BigBaby 2 as well, which were all good, but this is more my thing. It has a much tighter low end and the treble seems it never gets brittle... it's just hard to get a bad sound out of it (even when *I* play it :p) and it's a nice compact and reasonably loud solution.
Tonight I have a gig at a local music venue where backline is provided... but I hate it, and the stage is pretty boomy so you need to watch the volume and low end onstage. The Two10 is so easy to carry that it's a no brainer: I bring my own. I place it on top of the provided Orange 410 cab, and the LMIII head on top, and I get great sound onstage that everybody else can hear with clarity as well.
I have used it a couple of times in small bars with no support, where volume is not very high... and without pushing it it works beautifully. Plenty of low end, but focused, with good definition.
It doesn't sound quite as nice as my pair of TKS S112, but it's not far off and this thing can handle more power, so I think I'll end up getting a second one.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experience with the Bareface cabs - would love to try out sometime and if they are as tight on the bottom end as you say, that would be great. The biggest thing about the MDF for me in the new Markbass was that I noticed the two new cabs I got were about 5lbs heavier than the Italian ones I had. Don't know if the Italian plywood is more resonant as some suggest, but the MDF tends to be a bit heavier which for me is not good.
 
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Bareface cabs - would love to try out sometime and if they are as tight on the bottom end as you say, that would be great. The biggest thing about the MDF for me in the new Markbass was that I noticed the two new cabs I got were about 5lbs heavier than the Italian ones I had. Don't know if the Italian plywood is more resonant as some suggest, but the MDF tends to be a bit heavier which for me is not good.

Ah if we're talking weight... I'm with you entirely.

If you get a chance, do try the Two10, they're really nice. Ha! usually, being in the UK, we look at the west across the Atlantic with envy, as you get lots of cool gear much much cheaper than we do. But with Barefaced we get lucky. Their 30 day return no-questions make it so simple to just try something. It would cost us something like $30-40 max, depending on size to return a cab, which is a price I'm happy to pay to be able to try something like this properly in my own environment with my own gear. Returning it back to Europe must cost you quite a bit more!

If you're ever visiting Scotland, send me a PM and come try it for yourself ;)
 
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Well, I gave the new cab a try and have to say was not impressed with this designed in Italy, made in Indonesia offering having owned the Italian Markbass amps and cabs for a number of years. The new cab weighed in at almost 32 lbs and when I looked inside the cab (through the slot port on back) it looked like particle board construction, but tough to say for sure. As I recall, the originals are some kind of 13 ply void-free birch or something elegant sounding and lightweight and of course the speakers are cast frame B&C. The current cab did seem fairly flat in sound, but when I tried to EQ the cab, just didn't have any warmth or thickness to sound like my Italian made ones. No matter what I did, still just seemed kind of twangy. Had the piezo tweeter backed off almost completely and no difference, thin and twangy, no personality or warmth. YMMV Back to GC for return and see if my salesman knew they are not Italian made anymore. Thanks to those who posted or messaged me about the situation. - Update ** three salesmen and mgr. did not know about the switch and were just as surprized as I was. I love my Indonesian made Rumbles, but these are not in that class IMO.

I'd give it a little time. Some new speakers can be fairly stiff around the surround and spider then after a few hours of breakin warm up considerably. The sound you describe is exactly what I hear in a stiff speaker, let it break in before you decide.
 
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Yes maybe I shouldn't have used the term 'sold out' as I'm sure they believe their products to still be of high quality. However IF they have switched to MDF for the cabs that is poor show because, although debatable that this would be detrimental to sound quality, it certainly doesn't have as long a life as good quality ply! And ply, so I've read, has certain 'musical' qualities not possessed by MDF and most people assume that a 'premium' brand would use the better materials for cabinet construction.
From the early 90's till about 2006, Ampeg used OSB in their premium cabs, as the owner at the time thought OSB was superior. I do see a lot of these cabs still in service, but I also see a lot of them with replaced or moved wheels due to stripping out the screws from load bearing, some have had punctures from getting banged harder than usual, and when they get wetter than a light sprinkle, they start to swell and disintegrate if the water gets in the fibers. So right before he sold Ampeg in 2006, he was finally convinced and they went back to plywood. And as MDF is a lower grade of "wood" than OSB, I would be kind of concerned about it.
 
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I seem to remember the Markbass site used to have details of the drivers they used and the cabinet materials too. I can't find any such details now, which kind of suggests to me that they may well be pulling the wool over buyers eyes and relying on the reputation they've built up over the years and hoping people will just assume they still use the finest parts and materials. Call me a cynic but so many big corporations do just end up getting greedy and profit maximisation ends up being their only aim, which is very sad! The websites of most premium manufacturers still state what parts and materials are used.Those who don't I would no longer consider to be premium, as this information is important to buyers like me who like to know the finer details, especially when paying premium prices.
 
when people talk about MB selling out and not being as good as they used to, and using inferior drivers etc... it would be good to have some actual evidence for that. Now THAT would be useful to those looking to buy something. Otherwise it's just hot air that does nothing but confuse the heck out of anybody trying to do a little research.
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