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Me or Them ?

I just started jamming with a drummer and two guitarists a few weeks ago and I’m just not getting anything out of it. I don’t know if it’s them or me but wanted to ask for your guys’ opinion.

Drummer – Good rhythm. I can lock in with him easily, he can jam on any rhythm I’m playing and I like the sound of the drum and bass alone more than anything else. No complaints at all with him.

Guitar 1 – This guy plays a lot by himself and just with a drummer. He has virtually no theory (not that I have much more) and does not follow any progression. He just plays a riff and moves it all over the neck. He has a good sound a good sense of rhythm but when asked what chords or progressions he’s playing, he’ll respond “I’m just playing every other one”, which means he’s just moving the riff every other fret which doesn’t follow what the other guitar or I am doing. When I ask him to tell me what he’s playing and when he’ll tell me “I don’t even know what I’m gonna do, just play”…how can I play to that?

Guitar 2 – This guy knows a decent degree of theory and understands what chords he’s playing and what progression he’s using. The problem here is that he’s so “out there” that he explains things so quickly and in a non-logical manner and will give me 4 different parts of a song but not really piece them together in a logical order so I don’t know when he’s going to play each part (or how many times he’s repeating a riff). He’s also really impatient and “needs” to play all the time, even when he’s explaining something so it’s very hard to concentrate.

I’d like to be able to jam with some guys and feel good enough to go with anything. These guys seem to have very little structure and even when they have structure, it’s only with certain pieces and not everything. I find it hard to “play along” with them because I don’t know what to play or when to play it (when they’re moving and where they’re moving to). Am I way off here or what’s the deal?
 
I too would have problems playing with those guys.

Would suggest you "all" play from the same piece of music. Fake chord showing the chord name and the lyrics would be my suggestion.

The guy playing the licks is in affect playing melody and every one else is playing accompaniment. That'll work if you all are playing from the same key. But, it sounds like the two guitars have no idea how to do that.

It's not rocket science - get the book Guitar for Dummies and you all learn how to play with each other.

Or go find some other guitar players.


P.S. Asking -- have you played from fake chord - can you show them how. If not ask. How to is no more than 150 words.............
 
I've done some playing from chord sheets, mostly country stuff but I know the idea behind it and how to use it at least. Honestly, I'm not sure they'd be interested in that, the one guy that does know theory is not patient, just wants to hurry up and play and isn't too concerned with making sure everyone is on the same page. Kind of hard for me to lay down some solid notes when I don't know what he wants to play or when.
 
Ugh, I'd have to find some other folks to play with. If it botherd me enough to post about it I'd say it ain't worth it. First of all, it's too hard to play with someone who is unknowledgeable and doesn't seem to care. And then on the other side, nothing worse than someone who knows a lot not letting others keep up.

I'd move on. Maybe take the drummer with me.
 
I've done some playing from chord sheets, mostly country stuff but I know the idea behind it and how to use it at least. Honestly, I'm not sure they'd be interested in that, the one guy that does know theory is not patient, just wants to hurry up and play and isn't too concerned with making sure everyone is on the same page. Kind of hard for me to lay down some solid notes when I don't know what he wants to play or when.

To learn more you need to be playing with people that know more than you do. These guys do not.

If they are friends or you just want to play with them.
Ask the guy that does know theory for the key. I have never been in a band that could not tell you what key the song is in. Once you have that then assume a I IV V. If that does not work - move on.
 
The "guitar 1" is my friend, the other two are friends of his. You pretty much said what I was thinking. I'd like to play with guys a notch or two above me so I can better myself and I don't think these guys are gonna give that to me.

EDIT: By the way, last night the song the one guy was trying to jam to was "High Voltage" by AC/DC but just wasn't explaining it correctly. I got the chord sheet today and now it makes much more sense. I think if everyone had one of those in front of them it would have went MUCH better..
 
the jam you described pretty much leads to a bit of chaos and formlessness although it can be fun....i think the key is to take it with a grain of salt and no expectations/ ambitions ......this type of thing is funner with BEER LOL!