Mike porcaro better than Gene Simons?

[Brad Johnson]

i don't see how you could listen to any of those clips and not hear a paul thing happening. yeah, it's not the same type of music, but there's a lot of melody, a lot of walking basslines, and a lot of plowing over the drummer, all of which paul did and does on a regular basis.

Then pick a single example of this. I don't hear Paul when I listen to Foghat and I didn't hear it when I listened to Kiss. Sue me.


This is one of those clips, the first one so I'd think it falls under your definition of "any".


You hear Paul in this and I don't.

 

[Stingray19]

 

[bikeplate]

HI

I agree w Brad.

One thing, though Brad. Jamerson didnt write any of those songs BUT he certainly wrote all the bass lines. Genius stuff. Electric bass playing had never before been recorded like that. Joe Osborn and Carol Kaye were converted guitarist who played with picks. They both were talented, unique, gifted musicians. Jamerson took it to another level. He was the first electric studio ace that was trained as a bassist. He blossomed when he went to electric and by the end of his run w Motown was nearly overshadowing the others on the later recording. Borderline bass clinics considering the time in history('62 to '69, approx)

Rob

 

[JimmyM]

Then pick a single example of this. I don't hear Paul when I listen to Foghat and I didn't hear it when I listened to Kiss. Sue me.


This is one of those clips, the first one so I'd think it falls under your definition of "any".


You hear Paul in this and I don't.

i can't believe you don't hear it in there. just in the opening riff where he plays a melodic bassline as a pseudo-lead guitar part. paul did that stuff all the time in later years with the beatles.

foghat is a totally different story...they were more of a blues-rock band and the bass player played less flashy parts and played along with the drums and rhythm guitar.

 

[Brad Johnson]

HI

I agree w Brad.

One thing, though Brad. Jamerson didnt write any of those songs BUT he certainly wrote all the bass lines. Genius stuff. Electric bass playing had never before been recorded like that. Joe Osborn and Carol Kaye were converted guitarist who played with picks. They both were talented, unique, gifted musicians. Jamerson took it to another level. He was the first electric studio ace that was trained as a bassist. He blossomed when he went to electric and by the end of his run w Motown was nearly overshadowing the others on the later recording. Borderline bass clinics considering the time in history('62 to '69, approx)

Rob

We're on the same page there, Rob. I was just pointing how how unimportant an actual songwriting credit is and JJ is probably the most blatant example. He did more than write songs, he defined them.

I guess you get a face palm too.

 

[5StringBlues]

 

[Brad Johnson]

i can't believe you don't hear it in there. just in the opening riff where he plays a melodic bassline as a pseudo-lead guitar part. paul did that stuff all the time in later years with the beatles.

foghat is a totally different story...they were more of a blues-rock band and the bass player played less flashy parts and played along with the drums and rhythm guitar.

Okay, how about Kansas?


And I can't believe you think that sounds like Macca. On what Beatles' song? And you consider what Simmons was doing in that song "flashy"?

 

[Brad Johnson]

I'll take that as a no.


I'm sorry, I don't consider straight eighths and occassional straight sixteenth notes "rhythmic".

 

[Eric Perry]

For what it's worth, while I hear lots of Paul in a *lot* of Gene's early playing, I've got to agree with Brad. I don't really hear it in Goin' Blind.

 

[Eric Perry]

Here I hear plenty o' Paul, however....

 

[Brad Johnson]

For what it's worth, while I hear lots of Paul in a *lot* of Gene's early playing, I've got to agree with Brad. I don't really hear it in Goin' Blind.

Jimmy does.

 

[Thundar]

I love that song and especialy the bass line, but Ive always been curious though if Gene actually wrote/played that bass line? Given all the studio musician's that played on their albums at that time, and Paul Stanley's fill in bass work too.

Here I hear plenty o' Paul, however....

 

[Brad Johnson]

Here I hear plenty o' Paul, however....

There's some nice bass work on that song. It doesn't so much remind "me" of Macca as Randy Meissner on the Eagles' "One of these nights". Or John McVie with Fleetwood Mac. Way more pop than rock.

I was in the USAF in Kansas in 79 when this came out and remember some hardcore Kiss fans who were pissed at this album. They thought Kiss had gone disco.

No offense... did Simmons play on the original cut? Just curious. It's a departure from earlier playing IMO. Not locked in on the downbeat, coming off of rests, etc.

 

[Eric Perry]

According to the site linked below, he did play on most songs on that disc (including that song). Granted, I don't know how valid that info is. I agree it's a huge departure from his own style.

I personally love that disc. I've read a lot of the backlash you speak of. I was only 6 when it came out.


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[Stingray19]

I'll take that as a no.


I'm sorry, I don't consider straight eighths and occassional straight sixteenth notes "rhythmic".

*Dont want to sound like a fanboy, but here goes....

[rant]

How do figure Gene only plays straight eighth and sixteenth notes??

Am I missing something??

And how are those lines not melodic or rhythmic?

So, in other words, you're saying Goin Blind is a bad bassline, considering it's not rhytmic enough for you?

And will everyone please shut up about Gene not playing on the first 7 albums? This horse has been beat to death and the answer is : YES, up until 1979, Gene played all his bass parts and this has been documented and proven, but it seems like everyone just refuses to accept the fact that Gene Simmons might have a shred of talent.....


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[Eric Perry]

You know Stingray, there's quite a few decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.

 

[Stingray19]

You know Stingray, there's quite a few decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.

I know, I know!!!

It's just.....arghhh....

 

[Brad Johnson]

*Dont want to sound like a fanboy, but here goes....

Sorry but this post is the very definition of fanboy. You can't look at him objectively most likely because of it. At least that's how it appears. I'll address each point... maybe that'll clear this up. Maybe not.
:Cool:

[rant]

Exactly.

How do figure Gene only plays straight eighth and sixteenth notes??

I'm talking about this specific song. How do you twist that to mean otherwise? Let me know if you hear much beside exactly what I said... on that particular song. Going Blind. That you linked to. Not every song he ever played. Okay?

Am I missing something??

Apparently. You're busy seeing what you want to see.

And how are those lines not melodic or rhythmic?

Most people don't consider metronomic to be all that rhythmic. Like drum machines before quantize.

So, in other words, you're saying Goin Blind is a bad bassline, considering it's not rhytmic enough for you?

I don't need other words, the words I actually wrote should do just fine. Read them and quit reading around, between or near them or whatever it is you're doing. Okay?

Are you saying that if a bassline doesn't sound like Paul McCartney it's bad? Of course not. And neither am I.

And will everyone please shut up about Gene not playing on the first 7 albums? This horse has been beat to death and the answer is : YES, up until 1979, Gene played all his bass parts and this has been documented and proven, but it seems like everyone just refuses to accept the fact that Gene Simmons might have a shred of talent.....


[/rant]

Again, if you listen objectively as some of us have, you might notice that there's a stylistic difference ( a big one) between his playing on Going Blind and their disco period. So why should everyone shut up about it? If you can't handle that, maybe you need to take a break. Seriously.

 

[Brad Johnson]

According to the site linked below, he did play on most songs on that disc (including that song). Granted, I don't know how valid that info is. I agree it's a huge departure from his own style.

I personally love that disc. I've read a lot of the backlash you speak of. I was only 6 when it came out.


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Cool. I know you realize it was just a question. It's nice that you took it that way.

 

[JimmyM]

btw, had goin' blind been released by stone temple pilots or nirvana, it would have been hailed as greatness. i always thought that song got way overlooked in the great hard rock songs of all time.