Miles Davis records with Ron Carter playing on them

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  1. Aaron Saunders

    Aaron Saunders

    Apr 27, 2002
    I'm looking to find something with Ron Carter. I've heard his name all over TB, in discussions with my teachers, magazines, interviews with other bassists, and an entire book of Ron Carter solos transcribed in a local music store -- but I haven't heard him. Well, I probably have (his site says he's played on over 2,500 albums) but I've never sat there conciously and thought "You know, Ron Carter's playing on this tune."

    After getting Kind of Blue and Sketches of Spain, I'm looking for more Miles as well. Now, I know Ron was in the Miles Quintet of 65-68, and there's what looks to be a great box set on Amazon but it's a bit more than I can afford right now (getting a job interview on Monday and I'm saving up for my own DB and a bow). I'll eventually pick this up anyway (who wouldn't?) but in the mean time I'd like to get one or two Miles CDs with Ron on them to slake my thirst until after I've gotten a DB (and pickup/mic, good strings, and a setup).

    EDIT: Wow! I was exploring his site a bit more and saw the list of Miles albums he played on in his (selected) discography. Out of the ones listed, which ones would you pick?

    My Funny Valentine
    Miles In The Sky
    Filles De Kilimanjaro
    Four And More
    Cookin' At The Plugged Nickel
    Seven Steps To Heaven
    Miles Smiles

    Also...isn't he just the classiest looking dude on the planet?
  2. jdombrow

    jdombrow Supporting Member

    Jan 16, 2002
    Colorado Springs, CO
    I just bought E.S.P this afternoon and am really enjoying this album. Miles, Wayne Shorter (tenor sax), Ron Carter (bass), Herbie Hancock (piano) and Tony Williams (drums).
  3. Jonas J

    Jonas J

    Jul 2, 2004
    Oslo, Norway
    My Funny Valentine comes as a twofer with Four And More, both records are actually from the same concert. Essential listening!
  4. mrpc

    mrpc Guest

    Feb 7, 2005
    I really like those live recordings of Ron with the Quintet from the 1960's, don't know if they're bootlegs or imports. Miles was the icing on the cake here!

    In the 1970's he did hundreds of tracks for Creed Taylor (CTI) records. He really developed a studio sound that I once heard him describe as "the glow in the dark" sound. Some good things there too.

    The Jim Hall + Ron Carter "Alone Together" live recording was/is a must have for me. I believe it's on Milestone, but in any case it was a milestone for me!

    Ron really tells a story when he gets down with it. I think his sound is very distinctive, one of the greats in music who has managed to be heard in a big way.
  5. Cookin´ a classic, I´d pick that up. Seven Steps is great, but Ron plays in only half of the tracks,
    since the record is a combination of two diffrent sessions with different bands.

  6. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I'd second that recommendation - the Penguin Guide to Jazz on CD, rates the complete "Live at The PLugged Nickel" as the best Jazz album ever - how can you go wrong!!?? ;)

    "Miles Smiles" is probably the best of the studio albums and is a "must have " for any Jazz collection! :)
  7. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    ???? Isn't Ron with both bands? My recollection (which I'll look up in a second) is that the west coast session is Victor Feldman, Ron and Frank Butler and the east coast is Herbie, Ron and Tony. Both sessions also have George Coleman.

    And 7 STEPS is a GREAT record.

    So I'd say
    7 Steps
    Four & More
    Miles Smiles
  8. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    Yeah, Ron's on both sessions.

    The PLUGGED NICKEL records are great; my recommendation would be to hold off on those until you get your ears around the standard form a little more. You're not really going to be able to hear how they are deconstructing GREEN DOLPHIN STREET until you can hear GREEN DOLPHIN STREET, right?
  9. Alexi David

    Alexi David

    May 15, 2003
    Very true. Ron is bassist on both.

    OT, I collect rare shows. I have a show where Richard Davis is substituting for Ron. Another, Al Stinson subs. Buster Williams would sub too. Interesting , as Richard's style is quite different!

    impressive Miles Discography/Sessionography here
  10. Alexi & Ed, you guys are right. I wrote that in my day gig and didn´t remember that correctly. The cd is in my hands now and it says Ron is in both bands, all right.
    What´s funny is that the best tunes in this record are written by Victor Feldman ( Seven steps and Joshua ) but it´s not Victor who got to record them, but Herbie instead....

  11. Alexi David

    Alexi David

    May 15, 2003
    Well, he did record the tunes with Miles, but those takes were rejected - I haven't heard them yet, they're on the new "Seven Steps" boxed set.

    My God, Miles has a lot of boxed sets out.....
  12. Marcus Johnson

    Marcus Johnson

    Nov 28, 2001
    That album is Ron Carter at his best, I think. I love the sloooow transition from 2 to walking on "Basin Street Blues". I'll never get tired of that track, I think it's what made me want to be a jazz bassist.

    "Joshua" of Miles' greatest solos. Also, the counterpoint on "So Near, So Far" is delicious. Joe Henderson and John Scofield replicated it very nicely on a later album.
  13. bass_means_LOW


    Apr 12, 2004
    Las Vegas
    He walks his buns off on "7 Steps." I know about three pianists who have memorized Herbie's solo.
  14. Bijoux


    Aug 13, 2001
    I think that Ron carter and Tony Williams during the mid sixties pretty much defined how a modern rhythm session would sound. Get the box set fro 65-68 (miles Davis Quintet), that is Ron Carter on his best form. The pulse and the forward motion he puts on the walking bass, man that is real great. Plus the quintet is burning, all the guys in the band! I have to say I am not too crazy about Ron on a lot of the newer stuff, I am not too cray about his solos albums either, and these days I am not into his sound, But man those old recordings are amazing. Do yourself a favor and check 'em out.
  15. teleharmonium


    Dec 2, 2003
    IMO everything by Miles prior to the 80s is essential, but if I had to pick one record with Ron Carter on bass it would be Nefertiti. It's the ultimate statement from that period, to me. I don't rate records by the bass playing, but RC definitely plays some great solos as well as innovative accompaniment throughout. The recording quality is particularly excellent.
  16. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I think this is kind of a strange attitude to buying records ....I buy records 'cause I like listening to them ...if I applied this kind of logic, I would have no CDs of music by Messiaen, Berio, Scriabin, Stockhausen,Mahler,Shostakovich etc. etc.. ;)

    I love listening to the Plugged Nickel as I'm thinking - wow I have no idea where they are or how they are going to get back together!! :eek:

    But they always do! :)
  17. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    It's only strange if you're thinking of them as entertainment. Kind of like watching French girls talk, what with those plump and pouty lips and all.

    But, unlike some people, GUMMINT BOY is actually wanting to LEARN this music and is (it would seem to me) talking about using records as a resource for familiarising himself with the various approaches of players, in the case Ron Carter. So instead of saying to himself " wow, I have no idea", by listening to Ron's INSIDE approach to OGDS and getting that in his ear, when he listens to Ron's OUTSIDE approach on OGDS he's going to have a conceptual model of what Ron plays inside to contrast and compare what his outside stuff ends up being.

    You, of course, are welcome to do what you like.
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    So - you're pointing out recordings that aren't "entertaining", as such....:meh:

  19. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    It's a good thing you're not a surgeon. You hack with such a blunt instrument it's not surpising that you get so little out of the enterprise.

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