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MPM adjuster Full Circle combo

Discussion in 'Amps, Mics & Pickups [DB]' started by flatback, Nov 30, 2005.


  1. flatback

    flatback

    May 6, 2004
    Bolinas Ca
    I had the titanium adjusters from franz Moser put in a while back and heard that he could fit a FC into the mix. I couldn't picture it but here is one (below). These adjusters actually open the bass up considerably and free the bridge movement. Now combined with a Full Circle, I think it will be a great combo.
    thanks to bassist14 for the photo maybe he can tell us if the adjusters work for him and how the FC sounds?
     
  2. bassist14

    bassist14

    Oct 17, 2005
    Germany
    hello flatback,

    i´ve just read your post and will be happy to write about my good expieriences with moser adjusters+fc. unfortunatly i have too much work the next days, but i will try to answer more next week. ok?

    bassist14
     
  3. flatback

    flatback

    May 6, 2004
    Bolinas Ca
    Just got word from Franz. Apparently, the MPM's are also made from aluminum and those are the ones that work with the full Circle.this might be a way to get the full benefit of both the FC and MPM's without the expense of the Titanium. (although the Ti rocks) For those of you not familiar with these adjusters and what they can do for your sound...check out
    http://www.moser-klangwerkstatt.com/wEnglish/produkte/index.shtml
     
  4. bassist14

    bassist14

    Oct 17, 2005
    Germany
    hello flatback,

    ok,i will try to explain my experiences with MPM-adjusters and the fullcircle.

    i have MPM adjusters on my meyer-bass since ca. 1 and 1/2 years. these were the first adjusters i ever had on a bass. and the only ones i could ever imagine to use on my main bass. (here in germany adjustable bridges are not very common, even under jazz-bassists i know, not to talk about classical players...)

    i use this bass for classical and jazz. the MPM work fine, i couldn´t hear a difference in the sound after i got them installed. (that was the biggest fear i had, using adjusters)

    the bass on the photo is a new hungarian instrument.
    it´s got the aluminium-MPMs and a fullcircle, that was built into the adjuster from mr.moser (MPM). i think he changed the threads of the fullcircle to his own threads, so that the FC fits very precise whitout any wagging(?, sorry, my english...). if you already have a MPM you know what i mean. the mechanism works like a swiss-watch-clockwork. i have read many posts here about FC-problems and think the perfect fit is a key to good function and sound of it. in combination FC+MPM i think this is not a problem.

    i´m sorry, but i can´t compare the sound of MPM+FC to other fullcircles because its the only one i´ve ever played, and the FC is not very common here.

    compared to the realist i use on the meyer-bass, i can tell a big difference beetween this and the FC+MPM combination. the MPM+FC sounds much clearer, more articulated, more defined in the lows and low-mids. (both with obligatos and GKMB150E flat EQ) (but both are on different basses, so, who knows what would be if i changed them?)

    i have seen in your profile you own a schertler pub280, i have one too. using the MPM+FC with my fishmann platinum pro and the schertler, i can get a really good plug+play sound, for my personal taste.

    from my personal experience i would recommend you to try the MPM+FC combo.

    i had mail- and phone-contact with mr. moser and talked with him about the aspects of this combination. he was always very friendly and answered quickly. (but i don´t know if he speaks english...)

    i hope this will help a little, please feel free to ask further questions.

    (PS: today i brought the meyer bass to my luthier to install a single wilson element in the bass-leg of the bridge.curious how this will sound...)
     
  5. jonas

    jonas

    Dec 9, 2003
    Frankfurt am Main/Germany
    Lando Music (Germany)
    he doesn't ...
    Jonas
     
  6. bassist14

    bassist14

    Oct 17, 2005
    Germany
    hello jonas,
    guess where i bought the wilson...
     
  7. bassist14

    bassist14

    Oct 17, 2005
    Germany
    hello

    i´ve made some detailed photos of the fullcircle built into the mpm adjusters.

    bassist14
     
  8. bassist14

    bassist14

    Oct 17, 2005
    Germany
    some more pictures
     
  9. jonas, bassist14 --

    just saw the above because i was looking for info on how to use a FC with the MPM adjusters.

    maybe the pictures are self-explanatory.

    please tell me: will the full circle thread fit into the MPM without making any changes at all? can you just exchange the full circle into the MPM?

    thanks
     
  10. jonas

    jonas

    Dec 9, 2003
    Frankfurt am Main/Germany
    Lando Music (Germany)
    He cuts off the non-threaded bolt – so the FC needs severe changes.
     
  11. Is that something I could do with a heavy duty metal file?

    And -- assuming it's done right -- how good is the fit then? I understand the MPM from Moser is very good in terms of transmitting the vibration, and I wouldn't want to dampen that.
     
  12. Eric Rene Roy

    Eric Rene Roy Supporting Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Mystic, CT
    President: Upton Bass String Instrument Co.
    Slight derail...whenever I see MPM I assume it's Mike Pecanic Music. I don't know Franz Mozer at all..he could be the nicest guy in the world (I know Mike Pecanic is...and he makes adjusters too!)...but two MPM's? Both with adjusters? Which MPM came first?
     
  13. jonas

    jonas

    Dec 9, 2003
    Frankfurt am Main/Germany
    Lando Music (Germany)
    MPM is just the shortcut for his "Moser Patent-Mechaniken" (="Moser's Patented Adjusters"). Not for his shop/business.
     
  14. flatback

    flatback

    May 6, 2004
    Bolinas Ca
    hey I am still using the titanium adjusters from frans moser (i have them on a seperate bridge from the FC) and I think they are the best. the bridge vibrates unobstructed and the mechanism is very high tech and well made. i think that people hear adjusters altering the sound when the threads pinch the sides (not installed perfectly straight or more likely the bridge gets hit slightly) these dont do that but are more expensive and complex to install. but never the less a great adjuster.