Mxr m80+fuzz=problem

[Danfuzzbass]

Hello tb!this is my first thread,so i'm sorry if its in wrong place.

Well,i'm using a mxr m80 in the end of my chain (always on,colour switch off),it sounds great by itself but when i turn my fuzzes on,the fuzz sounds compressed and losts gain...when i turn the m80 off, the fuzz sounds ok.
Maybe is an issue in my m80?

I'm thinking about get a vt bass di does it have the same "problem"?
How it sounds with fuzz?

Thank you!

 

[jumblemind]

Well,i'm using a mxr m80 in the end of my chain (always on,colour switch off),it sounds great by itself but when i turn my fuzzes on,the fuzz sounds compressed and losts gain...when i turn the m80 off, the fuzz sounds ok.
Maybe is an issue in my m80?

Welcome! You are definitely posting in the right place, and it sounds to me like your M80 is working as it should. I used to love the way my M80 cleaned up and beefed up the Muff fuzz I had.

The M80 is a preamp pedal, which is basically a pedal with EQ controls that imparts a particular tone to your sound. Your M80 is adding its EQ and ever-so-slight tone enhancement to everything coming into it, including your bass and any pedals, and outputting whatever it is set to output. So for example, if you cut the treble way back, the signal going to your amp will have most of the treble cut, even if you are boosting highs on other pedals or adding treble on your bass.

What are your EQ settings on the M80?

 

[Danfuzzbass]

Welcome! You are definitely posting in the right place, and it sounds to me like your M80 is working as it should. I used to love the way my M80 cleaned up and beefed up the Muff fuzz I had.

The M80 is a preamp pedal, which is basically a pedal with EQ controls that imparts a particular tone to your sound. Your M80 is adding its EQ and ever-so-slight tone enhancement to everything coming into it, including your bass and any pedals, and outputting whatever it is set to output. So for example, if you cut the treble way back, the signal going to your amp will have most of the treble cut, even if you are boosting highs on other pedals or adding treble on your bass.

What are your EQ settings on the M80?

Oh thank you!
I've tried many eq settings and they all sounds bad with fuzz to me.lol my fuzzes are all useless on my board because of it.
Now i'm using bass at 1:00,mids at 4:00 and highs at noon,and a pbass with flats the m80 sounds good this way but with fuzz is not my taste.

Anyway thanks again!

 

[jumblemind]

Have you tried putting the fuzz after the M80? If you are just using the M80 as a tone-shaper, this might be your best bet.

 

[Oneirogenic]

Have you tried putting the fuzz after the M80? If you are just using the M80 as a tone-shaper, this might be your best bet.

This +1 I put my fuzz
after my Sansamp BDDI for the same reason.

 

[Danfuzzbass]

I put in the end of my chain,cause i use the di in my band setting.well its hard to explain tastes, i know but i thought it could be an issue with my m80.btw thank you for the help!
Have you tried a vt bass di with fuzz?
Maybe i will get the same "problem"?

 

[jumblemind]

Have you tried a vt bass di with fuzz?
Maybe i will get the same "problem"?

The M80 is inherently "scooped" a bit, even without the color switch engaged, which is likely taking the mids even further out of your fuzz (and mids are usually key for fuzz character in a band mix). The VT Bass DI has even more baked in tone, it's a "character series" pedal, after all. So yes it will eat the incoming signal and output what it's going to output similar to the M80, BUT it just depends your taste if you like the sound and depends on how you have it set if it comes through in the mix. If you have VT Bass set with a lot of screaming mids, your fuzz may come through fine, and despite the huge tone change the VT Bass DI imparts, you may like the way they sound stacked.

The short answer is "no way to know until you try it", unfortunately, as your bass and amp/cab setup will play a big part, too. Fortunately, while the VT is pricey, you can usually recover most of your money in the TB classifieds if it doesn't work out for you.

What kind of fuzz are you using, anyway?

 

[AciDBatH666]

The M80 is inherently "scooped" a bit, even without the color switch engaged, which is likely taking the mids even further out of your fuzz (and mids are usually key for fuzz character in a band mix). The VT Bass DI has even more baked in tone, it's a "character series" pedal, after all. So yes it will eat the incoming signal and output what it's going to output similar to the M80

Yup, The "Effect" part of the M80 completely scoops out your mids. I found out recently when I switched from the M80 to the M81.
http://www.talkbass.com/threads/fou...my-mids-seeking-input-for-live-sound.1106961/

I recently took it out of my chain because live, it's going to make me get lost in the mix. I now use the M81 mainly dry, and I either boost or cut the output and use it when I need to raise or lower my volume. I usually lower it during our guitarists solos, or on quiet parts where I don't want so much bass.

 

[Danfuzzbass]

The M80 is inherently "scooped" a bit, even without the color switch engaged, which is likely taking the mids even further out of your fuzz (and mids are usually key for fuzz character in a band mix). The VT Bass DI has even more baked in tone, it's a "character series" pedal, after all. So yes it will eat the incoming signal and output what it's going to output similar to the M80, BUT it just depends your taste if you like the sound and depends on how you have it set if it comes through in the mix. If you have VT Bass set with a lot of screaming mids, your fuzz may come through fine, and despite the huge tone change the VT Bass DI imparts, you may like the way they sound stacked.

The short answer is "no way to know until you try it", unfortunately, as your bass and amp/cab setup will play a big part, too. Fortunately, while the VT is pricey, you can usually recover most of your money in the TB classifieds if it doesn't work out for you.

What kind of fuzz are you using, anyway?

I'm using a way huge swollen pickle and ehx nano bass big muff.
I will try what you said,put my m80 in front of my fuzzes and maybe get a di box.
Sometimes i go direct to the board,so maybe a vtdi would be interesting(ampeg sound,speaker simulator)
Good to know theres nothing wrong with my m80,i really liked it on its own.yeah maybe the "issue" its just a matter of taste.
Thanks again!

 

[Danfuzzbass]

Yup, The "Effect" part of the M80 completely scoops out your mids. I found out recently when I switched from the M80 to the M81.
http://www.talkbass.com/threads/fou...my-mids-seeking-input-for-live-sound.1106961/

I recently took it out of my chain because live, it's going to make me get lost in the mix. I now use the M81 mainly dry, and I either boost or cut the output and use it when I need to raise or lower my volume. I usually lower it during our guitarists solos, or on quiet parts where I don't want so much bass.

Very helpfull,thanks!