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Double Bass My First Bass - Thompson RM-200

RSalvador

Lakland 44-94 - Markbass LMT 800 - Schroeder 1212L
Nov 19, 2005
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Springfield, MO
It’s been since late December 2011 since I got my first double bass. I purchased a Thompson RM-200 from String Emporium in Chandler AZ. Against the advice of just about everyone everywhere including all the posts on this board, I purchased a bass without seeing our hearing the actual bass I was getting. I’ve purchased other instruments by reading all about them and finding reputable companies to buy from taking advantage of the accessing the world market through the web. I’ve had success and I really wanted it to be the same for a double bass. Before I go on, I didn’t get ripped off or anything, it’s just that, like everyone says buying a double bass is different. This is about my feelings about the beginners bass buying process. The best way I can describe it is it’s personal, very personal. You are picking a partner in a journey and there is only so much you can understand about that partner over the phone and web. I’ve loved many instruments I’ve owned but never really understood how different it is for this instrument. Each one is unique even though I’m sure they try to maintain consistency in production.

The RM-200 I bought is not a bad bass. It will serve as a fine student model and when I can actually play the thing it will serve for any gigs around here too. It’s quiet though, which is one of the first things my teacher noted, but he also pointed out that the action is set very low. I have to give credit to Steve’s (String Emporium) shop because knowing I was a beginner he had it setup for me with an easy to play action, the second thing my teach said was it plays really really well. So it probably has a lot of potential for more of the sound my ear is wanting with some strings (have Spirocores now) and another setup. No matter how good a recording is you can’t know what a bass sounds like, you can’t know how the sound make you FEEL unless you are there. You don’t just play this instrument you feel it. My teacher said it was fine and would serve me well. But I feel more like I was issued a bass instead of picking one out that I wanted. The exception being the way it looks, I like the look and it was a big factor in looking at the Thompsons.

There really is nothing in this town, everyone drives to KC Strings and I’m told are presented with many options and everyone I’ve talked to that has done this seems very happy. I couldn’t even make a sound so I think I was intimidated by the thought of buying a bass in person. I needed to get over that. I could’ve had someone at the shop play it for me but at least I would have known the sound I was buying.

Money. I also knew it was likely going to cost more money at KC Strings, gas to drive up there many spend the night etc. I spent just shy of $2500 on my Thompson. But now I would have been okay charging another $1000 or more if the bass and the sound matched my expectation and if I want to explore making this bass sound better I’m looking at what, $500 or so for strings and setup?

I’m not unhappy with Steve or the basses he is selling. He did a good job, and it WAS easy, which is what I wanted. But I’m saying buying a bass is not a situation to take the easy way. I don’t think much of the Brazilwood bows though (German). My teacher said it was like a kids bow or something it’s like ¾ size. I emailed Steve at the time and asked him what I needed to do to get something different but I never heard anything and I didn’t follow up either. It’s serving the purpose.

So for anyone who is thinking about buying your first bass, my advice would be to listen to wisdom that is repeated over and over again here.

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Boy that really looks like a Shen (maybe it is??).

So, you sound disappointed, but it looks like you've got more than enough bass for your level of playing. I started on much worse than that! Your bass is a nice one, and if it's anything like the Shen hybrid it resembles, it probably sounds very good if it's got a good setup.

Congrats on the new(ish) bass. Give the bridge adjusters a turn, put some rosin on your bow and start practicing! :bassist:
 
Boy that really looks like a Shen

Concur.

Actually, I agree with everything the Crow said in his post! :)

I read a quote here on TB that I think is applicable- though I must paraphrase- it was something like: "It's your job to fall in love with the bass you have" or something like that.

Enjoy your bass in good health! :)

Joe
 
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Concur.

Actually, I agree with everything the Crow said in his post! :)

I read a quote here on TB that I think is applicable- though I must paraphrase- it was something like: "It's your job to fall in love with the bass you have" or something like that.

Enjoy your bass in good health! :)

Joe

Ha! Excellent quote. I think I am sounding more disappointed in the bass than I actually am. I'm more disappointed that I short cut the buying process. Maybe my expectations of the sound were not realistic. I'd know if I heard them first hand.

It is a nice bass and as crowsmengegus says, plenty of bass for my level. It will serve me a long time.
 
I have the same bass purchased used though in excellent condition. My teacher also commented on the quality of the bass and its' playability - he happens to play a Prescott. The bass is one part of the equation, the other is how you play it - which means your skill in producing THE sound. At a little over $2000.00 the RM-200 will take you a long way into your career.
 
Boy that really looks like a Shen (maybe it is??).

So, you sound disappointed, but it looks like you've got more than enough bass for your level of playing. I started on much worse than that!

c'mon now. I think all the newbies should be forced to play poorly set-up Engelhardts.

To the OP, as you learn to play your bass it will open up and you'll learn to draw a good sound, which usually means it will increase in volume.
 
I have been playing for about a year and a half. The difference in the volume I produce now is substantial. As your fingers get stronger on the left hand they will allow you to get greater volume with the pitz or the bow.
 
I know where you are coming from:
My first bass was a crap eBay ( so you didn't fall into that trap). My second bass (and my current instrument) is a Gollihur Kremona Bass. Both times I have felt, after the honeymoon phase, that I should have gone through the whole process. I felt that I had taken a short cut.
Don't get me wrong; I like the Gollihur bass (especially at the price), but I feel that I could do better.

It's like dating for the sole reason that you "need" a girlfriend/boyfriend only to feel a deep whole in your gut. It feels like you are settling for somthing less than you can find with patience.

You've learned the lesson, and your future investments (like mine) will involve lots of searching. However, don't waste time pining for someting better when you can't afford to shop.

Get busy practicing or get busy with something else (please choose the former:crying:)
 
While you have kind words for Steve and String Emporium, your overall tone seems to be one of disappointment. I've never had any dealings with him whatsoever, so understand I'm a disinterested observer as I raise a few points.

1.) You weren't "issued" the bass. He sent it to you for a trial, right? If I understand his policies correctly, you could have tried it out for a while, and shipped it back for a full refund if you weren't satisfied. This isn't something you were stuck with.

2.) You say you wished "the bass and the sound matched my expectations." But you also note that you're a beginner--that you were intimidated about trying instruments in person because "I couldn't even make a sound". With all due respect: expectations are rooted in experience; otherwise they're not expectations but fantasies. (I write that as someone who has similar fantasies, of an instrument so wonderful it transcends my personal limitations.). You've seen these guys, demonstrating with off-the-shelf RM-200s, right?: Warren Jones: Jazz pizzicato, and Barry Olson: Classical arco.

At this point in your own musical journey, it's maybe a little premature to issue a "meh" to this model. I play an beat-up old Kay that looks like it was buried in a swamp for forty years, and I'm still surprised: the more I practice, the better an instrument it becomes.

3.) Buyer's remorse can hit us all, not just those giving distance purchasing a try. Even if you've played more basses in person, that emotional bonding experience you're referring to doesn't always happen--or if it does, it doesn't always last forever. Again, expectations may have been a little skewed, especially for a $2500 instrument.​


I'm not trying to refute you, and I'm grateful that you're sharing your experiences with the community. But I do think it may be going a tad far to extend that experience into a blanket caution against long-distance purchases. For some people, it makes a lot of sense. The business model of Upton Bass and New Standard is built around people taking that leap of faith--not only getting an instrument on trial but commissioning a new one. There are risks, but also rewards.
 
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coming from an electric bass background, as i assume you are from your gear signature, an upright will sound very low in volume. even the finest carved instruments are only able to move so much air.
the smaller the room you play in, the louder the bass you play.....
 
coming from an electric bass background, as i assume you are from your gear signature, an upright will sound very low in volume. even the finest carved instruments are only able to move so much air.
the smaller the room you play in, the louder the bass you play.....

Note that his teacher, who presumably is experienced, agreed with that judgment:
...It’s quiet though, which is one of the first things my teacher noted...
 
I bought a comparable bass, Shen SB-150, locally and went through a lot of what you did. Now the setup is dialed in and I am pleased with the sound and volume level. Having since tried comparable basses, I have realized that my expectations of volume were unrealistic and based on my bass guitar experience. My belief that there was an end all bass that would slaughter my new bass for the same price or less was unfounded.

Have your teacher play your bass while you stand out in front of it or play it into the corner of a room. I think you'll like what you hear and you can strive for that sound.

There will be other basses to buy if you choose to do so and you will have more experience when the time comes. It was a real relief for me when I stopped shopping and what if-fing and just got down to playing my bass. I think for the money you spent you did well. If that was your budget then there is no point, in my opinion, thinking about what you could have done differently. You did as good as expected and are set.

ernie
 
I also purchased my bass by doing tons of research online. I decided on an Upton standard laminate and coming from an EB background I had thoughts about what I wanted to hear in my head that were quite frankly unrealistic. Additionally, I had hyped myself into expecting "the perfect instrument" for me not that I really had any clue as to what that was. It's been almost two years since I purchased my bass, and I have discovered a few things since taking delivery. The first and most obvious is that I am the one that is lacking not the bass. You could put the most expensive finely crafted instrument in my hands, and I won't play much better than I can on my current bass. The second thing is that after tons of practice and studying with my teacher most of the improvement in my sound has come from hard work. Sure the bass has "opened up" to a certain degree, but I feel more improvement in sound is directly proportional to the amount of practice above all else. The result from all this is that I have fallen more and more in love with my bass, and until it limits my ability to progress I see no reason to upgrade. I have a long way to go, but like many things in this life it's the journey that counts not the destination, and as far as instruments are concerned most will always be more bass than I am bassist. YMMV
 
I went through a similar process when purchasing my first upright bass. The only real "expectations" I had were to get a bass that was in good condition, was playable, and was not too expensive. I found a bass on craigslist for $500 after months of internet research. It was a Strunal (Josef Lidl) 50/1. In retrospect I could not have been more happy with my purchase. I have been playing for over a year now and the bass is beginning to "open up" and my playing ability has greatly improved. I did try out several basses before I made this purchase, so I had some idea of what I was looking for. I am also of the opinion that you NEVER buy an instrument without playing it first. What you have is clearly a very nice instrument. However everybody is different and has their own preferences. Also some basses are better for certain styles of music than others.
 
Ha! Excellent quote. I think I am sounding more disappointed in the bass than I actually am. I'm more disappointed that I short cut the buying process. Maybe my expectations of the sound were not realistic. I'd know if I heard them first hand.

It is a nice bass and as crowsmengegus says, plenty of bass for my level. It will serve me a long time.

Just wondering what your opinion of the RM200 is now? I'm looking at them too. I played for 2years and had to sell my bass. It was a hybrid. Now I got the funds to buy a new bass.
 
I am also new to DB, about six months now and 30 + years EBG. After a lot of research I bought an RM-200 from Steve. I am very happy with my purchase and also find the sound is developing as I do. I live in Boise Idaho and we don't have any local availability of basses to go try out for a newbie like myself.
My teacher was amazed with the quality and features for the price, and it sounds absolutely fantastic in his hands . Not so much in mine but that is getting better all the time. I am sure it will work for me for many years to come. Congrats on your bass and I hope it grows on you.