NBD - Counterfeit Ric 4004LK

[shwabilly]

I like it. If i was in the market for a Ric copy, I'd give it a go. O.P., i see you're located in Ontario. If youre in the G.T.A., I'd come out and check it out when you gig it.

As far as all the folks that disapprove, how many members on here have put a Fender waterslide decal on a non-Fender neck, and that seems the be an acceptable practice, but for some reason, Ric's are off limits.

I've owned 2 Rics in the past, and I was happy with them, but they're no different than any other manufacturer. I don't understand why this company is treated with such reverence.

 

[12stringbassist]

The scarcity of the actual Ric Lemmy bass opens it up to copies.

It's a good job that Ric are unable to apply the law to players who play copies, like they do to non-Chinese builders. The cease and desists would be everywhere.

 

[GCPENG]

I like it. If i was in the market for a Ric copy, I'd give it a go. O.P., i see you're located in Ontario. If youre in the G.T.A., I'd come out and check it out when you gig it.

I will certainly let you know.

 

[user362432]

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I was looking, couple of days ago some of the things they offer. This seems to be, decent Ching-Chang Chodera

 

[user362432]

Probably not ... they only produce what is bought and paid for ... Fender and Gibson and Guitar Center run on Debt

With a time Chinese builders will improve to the point that "real" instruments will be below the Chinese copies. It did happen with Japanese in the past. Korea and Indonesia are going strong these days. It is just a question of the time when good Chinese instrument will be considered very good and USA based productions (especially from California) will not be able to keep the quality and production up to the standards.

 

[Korladis]

Can you imagine someone buying a fake Ric and not getting the bridge lift, crappy paint, intonation issues etc of the "real deal"? I'd be bummed!

My Rickenbackers have none of those things.

With a time Chinese builders will improve to the point that "real" instruments will be below the Chinese copies. It did happen with Japanese in the past. Korea and Indonesia are going strong these days. It is just a question of the time when good Chinese instrument will be considered very good and USA based productions (especially from California) will not be able to keep the quality and production up to the standards.

I used to own an old Ibanez copy. It was a very good bass, but not as good as my 4001 or 4003S.

Also the dig at my home state seems a little excessive.

 

[mdogs]

With a time Chinese builders will improve to the point that "real" instruments will be below the Chinese copies. It did happen with Japanese in the past. Korea and Indonesia are going strong these days. It is just a question of the time when good Chinese instrument will be considered very good and USA based productions (especially from California) will not be able to keep the quality and production up to the standards.

I am not sure what sort of fact you are basing this on, so could you please supply your sources?

 

[buldog5151bass]

Guess I’ll toss out all my P copies!

You mean your licensed and/or legal copies.

Two things we see here on a regular basis:

1. threads starting by people asking if a bass is legitimate.
2. Posts by people saying there is nothing wrong with making copies, including headstock decals

 

[ruju]

Looks good. Enjoy it.

 

[Hillbillypolack]

I don’t know why people enable copying of existing, copyrighted goods. Was this ‘manufacturer’ licensed by Ric?

I completely understand the rationale of obtaining a visual copy of a bass that’s rare and sought after. I also understand this bass will easily be identified as a copy. That said, giving money and funding these enterprises is enabling these guys to copy and sell whatever models they wish to.

Fender licenses their bodies & necks to other vendors - pretty legitimate, and the stamp identifies the item as such. Is there any marking on this bass that either notes it’s not Ric or if a marking identifies it as licensed by them?

 

[Gilmourisgod]

Yeah, just get a piece of pickguard blank, trace the fake TRC onto it, cut and sand to shape, Bob’s your Uncle. Those are among the nicer fakes I’ve seen, but the TRC crosses the arbitrary line in my head. Kinda fun making up your own brand name, or get some of the water slide decal paper online, print any image you like, overlay the fake logo, and spray some clear over it to make permanent.

 

[ctmullins]

So you judged a bass on how it sounds when it was being played by a hack. It's a wonder you managed to find your own sound when judging the worth of an object by how it sounded through another person's signal chain.... not to mention their hands.

Your honor, I submit as exhibit A: YouTube demos of instruments, amps, pedals, and pickups.

 

[GCPENG]

I don’t know why people enable copying of existing, copyrighted goods. Was this ‘manufacturer’ licensed by Ric?

I completely understand the rationale of obtaining a visual copy of a bass that’s rare and sought after. I also understand this bass will easily be identified as a copy. That said, giving money and funding these enterprises is enabling these guys to copy and sell whatever models they wish to.

Fender licenses their bodies & necks to other vendors - pretty legitimate, and the stamp identifies the item as such. Is there any marking on this bass that either notes it’s not Ric or if a marking identifies it as licensed by them?

I think you know the answer already, but No.

 

[kodiakblair]

Why on earth should the OP change the TRC ? He wanted a bass looking like Lemmy's ,not one that said "Rickenb*stard".

@GCPENG
You must feel blessed with all these TB'ers adopting the role of your father and telling you what to do.

 

[kodiakblair]

Your honor, I submit as exhibit A: YouTube demos of instruments, amps, pedals, and pickups.

Exhibit B
flat earth - YouTube

 

[lowplaces]

All I can say is the counterfeiters must really love it when people post links to their site on gear forums.

 

[creaturegods]

I'd be comfortable with an "honest" copy that had its own logo - living a lie is just sad.

That's a little dramatic.

if a kid draws a Nike swoosh or an Air Jordan on his Jansport backpack, are you people gonna call them a thief or say that they're living a lie?
If I doodle the Metallica logo on the cover of my notebook, am I a con artist? After all, it's not a GENUINE Metallica notebook!

 

[buldog5151bass]

That's a little dramatic.

if a kid draws a Nike swoosh or an Air Jordan on his Jansport backpack, are you people gonna call them a thief or say that they're living a lie?
If I doodle the Metallica logo on the cover of my notebook, am I a con artist? After all, it's not a GENUINE Metallica notebook!

If a kid draws a Nike swoosh on their backpack, no one thinks it's genuine. They are not trying to counterfeit something.

 

[Hillbillypolack]

That's a little dramatic.

if a kid draws a Nike swoosh or an Air Jordan on his Jansport backpack, are you people gonna call them a thief or say that they're living a lie?
If I doodle the Metallica logo on the cover of my notebook, am I a con artist? After all, it's not a GENUINE Metallica notebook!

Are they selling that notebook or that backpack with the hand drawn Nike logo?

That’s the difference.

 

[wizard65]

Having something that resembles a branded good but is clearly not an original, without logos is appropriate. Copying and applying logo of original logo is theft. Sorry if facts offend you but it is true.

Not sure why you’re so concerned about Rickenbacker, I doubt they care where your next dollar is coming from.