Need advice for a new Cab

[Downunderwonder]

So if i understand correctly, it would be better to use another 1x15'' on top of my own or buy two 2x10 cabinet or whatever i like from the same company?

If i do so, how many wattage should i look at considering my power amp? Since my power amp can take 8 (310 watts), 4 (450 watts) and 2 ohms (800 watts) in stereo, would it be more clever to buy 2 x 4 ohms enclosures instead of a 8 ohms?

BTW Chef, why are you bypassing the biamp option? Does it sound so terribly bad?

There is nothing wrong with your original plan whatsoever. It's the TB bandwagon getting in your ear.

Your biamp plan gets you the best possible fidelty in your mids with the best dispersion around the room. The only downside is less volume than you would get from two matching full range cabs. If the old 15 is loud enough already you are good to go!

I've done this with my 15 and 2x10 vertical. It sounds extra good biamped but not worth it for me to carry all the extra gear. I have to EQ for the 2x10 and mind the volume but that's fine for me.

Your power amp isn't the greatest, to be kind to it. I wouldn't invest in 4 ohm cabs in case you wind up in a different amp direction. Whatever power it makes at 8 ohm is plenty for one cab.

2x identical 15's is a nice rig but doesn't have the room dispersion of vertical 2x10's.

 

[craig.p]

Chef.

1. There's no such thing as "a take" on facts. Facts exist, standing independent of interpretation or opinion.

2. Your "bully for you" statement is not just condescending, it also mischaracterizes the reason I recommended biamping in this case, which I will not restate.

3. The argument in the link you provided seems to go something like this: Phasing issues are unavoidable, so it doesn't matter if we introduce more of them. But, if our goal is to get the best possible sound from a rig, then anyone making this argument would earn instant ejection from a junior high school level debate. Also, there is no "stereo field" in this case, so the power alley concern (which is what I think he was referring to) is nonexistent. Finally, phasing issues do not need to be everywhere if we're vigilant about eliminating or reducing them at every opportunity.

Done with this thread. The OP is welcome to contact me offline.

 

[Chef]

Again: that's great that you have something you like.

This does not mean the rest of the world has to comply with your viewpoints, or, be wrong.

 

[dukeorock]

Chef.

1. There's no such thing as "a take" on facts. Facts exist, standing independent of interpretation or opinion.

2. Your "bully for you" statement is not just condescending, it also mischaracterizes the reason I recommended biamping in this case, which I will not restate.

3. The argument in the link you provided seems to go something like this: Phasing issues are unavoidable, so it doesn't matter if we introduce more of them. But, if our goal is to get the best possible sound from a rig, then anyone making this argument would earn instant ejection from a junior high school level debate. Also, there is no "stereo field" in this case, so the power alley concern (which is what I think he was referring to) is nonexistent. Finally, phasing issues do not need to be everywhere if we're vigilant about eliminating or reducing them at every opportunity.

Done with this thread. The OP is welcome to contact me offline.

Wow...temper

 

[Downunderwonder]

Craig, you're welcome to your take on that, of course.

If you think it's better to limit the "low cab," which was designed to run full range, to 200hz, and, limit "the high cab," which would also be a full range cab, to the range above that, bully for you.
I ran varying degrees of mixed cabs with good success for may years.
I run 3 different versions of 2x112 now.

This Mesa employee, from the same thread, has a different point of view that I more or less agree with:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/mixing-cabinets-phase-response-607556/#post8370720

I've given a true and full account of pro's and cons of biamping but you're still ragging on it like it was something to be avoided.

I have biamped various combos of bass and PA cabs over the years. Perfectly clear mids always. My mixed full range bass cabs are fine but not in the same league.

Nobody can say what OP's mixed full range will sound like but it's a fair bet they won't be fantastic. On the other hand I can bet precious body parts the baimp will rock his world since all he was asking for was more mids in his ear.

 

[Chef]

Yes, I think not running biamp is best, in this case, with two full range cabs.
I never said he, or you, or anyone, can't do it however they please.

 

[Downunderwonder]

What do you care if he lumps an extra cab only to get fidelity but no more volume?

 

[Chef]

You think adding two 10's in full range is netting no more volume?

Ok.

 

[PhunkyChunky]

Woh i didnt want to start a fight!

well in fact my amp is really good for me right now. It's not on every stage and on every show that i missed some mid and high freequency to my taste.

With my Stingray it never happened (well it's a stingray after all ), but with some MIM jazz bass or squier one, all of them being passive bass with "Eden's enhance like" EQ due to their pickup and electronics, it happen sometimes.

I wanted to buy another cab cause i was thinking: "What a waste is this to only use one channel when i have two of them on my power. Could i improve the sound of my amp by adding another cab to it?"

As a can see, i can go both way, adding another eden 15'' or a 2x10 and biamping it or not.

Or maybe my other option is to wait and save money for a totally new and different beast in the futur all made by the same company. Maybe an Ampeg (i had an old 8x10 + an all tube SVT from when a was playing more professionnaly, damn i missed this monster) or maybe an Orange Terror Bass 1000......

 

[Chef]

No fight here as far as I'm concerned.
It's all well and good for people to voice differing points of view.

There isn't necessarily "a right way" here, just two choices; one of which may or may not suit you, or, others, better.

 

[TonyP-]

Woh i didnt want to start a fight!
(QUOTE)

Not your fault
Thats way to easy to do on thr AMP forum.
For some reason it flocks crusaders and people that like to argue.

Chef has a thankless job.

 

[Downunderwonder]

You think adding two 10's in full range is netting no more volume?

Ok.

You think I'm taking about full range operation? NO!

I'm taking about what he won't get from biamping two full range cabs. He has reiterated he doesn't need more volume.

OP, you can get what you want from a 6" midrange driver in a little box. You can copy the specs from the fearful forum for the mid driver chamber. Biamp that with 20 or 30W and it will give you all the mids you can handle.

Or the yorkville 2x10 may be cheaper/easier and give you an easier cab to take to rehearsals.