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Need Advice for Full Band PA

#21
You would be 100% NUTS to not use the KB players StudioLive. 100%! Please let you guitarist know he should remove his noggin from his poop chute and let the KB player chip in with this piece. Leaps and bounds better than anything Carvin can make, or Behringer, or Mackie or Allen Heath (even though these are truly pro boards unlike the others).

The Studio Live 24 can do so many more things than any other mixer at its price. It gives you a live recording console via Presonus' Capture software, you get 6 aux sends each with Comp/Limit/Gate/4-Band parametric EQ AND a 31 band EQ on each aux out! There are two very nice sounding and useful multi-effects processors (OK they aren't PCM-41's..) dedicated as two additional aux sends. Each input has Comp/Limit/Gate/4-Band parametric EQ. Each Group and Main output also has Comp/Limit/Gate/4-Band parametric EQ and a 31 band EQ. And guess what? You can store and save each gig so you can dial in the next show in seconds. Oh yeah, we have ours tied in with a laptop and we all have our own iPads that we use to control our own monitor mixes. Very sweet.

I run the StudioLive16 with the JBL PRX 3-ways and the bigger PRX 18" sub. Dude, it kills! Clean as heck! Big and Bad!

People, just because some really groovy cats in southern california send you these really nice color catalogs to read on the crapper, doesn't mean you need to buy it. It's not bad gear, but it's not great gear. But I do think they make some very nice axes.

Trust me on this. Presonus StudioLive with the powered speakers of your choice is the only way to do live shows anymore.
 
#22
logicman69 said:
The Studiolive is an AWESOME board! I would use that.. pair it with a pair of QSC K12 for tops and some KW118 for bottoms and you got a moster of a PA rig. I use this rig in my new band (but with the Studiolive 16) and it kills in any size room.

The only question would be monitoring. In my band, we all have in-ears. We like the stage clean. If you want floor wedges, grab some QSC K10's. Compact, loud, and sound great.
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I agree. The board is incredible and I love being able to recall settings.

We're actually having a monitor debate with in the band. Our KB player and drummer both love IEM. The KB player even spent his own money a wired in ears for the group, but no one showed any interest in using them. I'm willing to use them a try but our singer and guitarists are fighting it.
 
#23
Keithwah said:
You would be 100% NUTS to not use the KB players StudioLive. 100%! Please let you guitarist know he should remove his noggin from his poop chute and let the KB player chip in with this piece. Leaps and bounds better than anything Carvin can make, or Behringer, or Mackie or Allen Heath (even though these are truly pro boards unlike the others).

The Studio Live 24 can do so many more things than any other mixer at its price. It gives you a live recording console via Presonus' Capture software, you get 6 aux sends each with Comp/Limit/Gate/4-Band parametric EQ AND a 31 band EQ on each aux out! There are two very nice sounding and useful multi-effects processors (OK they aren't PCM-41's..) dedicated as two additional aux sends. Each input has Comp/Limit/Gate/4-Band parametric EQ. Each Group and Main output also has Comp/Limit/Gate/4-Band parametric EQ and a 31 band EQ. And guess what? You can store and save each gig so you can dial in the next show in seconds. Oh yeah, we have ours tied in with a laptop and we all have our own iPads that we use to control our own monitor mixes. Very sweet.

I run the StudioLive16 with the JBL PRX 3-ways and the bigger PRX 18" sub. Dude, it kills! Clean as heck! Big and Bad!

People, just because some really groovy cats in southern california send you these really nice color catalogs to read on the crapper, doesn't mean you need to buy it. It's not bad gear, but it's not great gear. But I do think they make some very nice axes.

Trust me on this. Presonus StudioLive with the powered speakers of your choice is the only way to do live shows anymore.
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I think you're right. I'm going to send a link of this thread to the band so they can see our KB player is not crazy.
 
#24
ThirstyMonkey said:
I agree. The board is incredible and I love being able to recall settings.

We're actually having a monitor debate with in the band. Our KB player and drummer both love IEM. The KB player even spent his own money a wired in ears for the group, but no one showed any interest in using them. I'm willing to use them a try but our singer and guitarists are fighting it.
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And that is precisely why you want to use the StudioLive, you guys can have your IEM's and they can have their stage wedges. If the mics feedback in their monitors you can yell at them for not knowing how to mix their own monitors! Cause it sure wouldn't be the Presonus' fault or the drummer or KB or your fault that they have feedback problems.
 
#25
UPDATE: Just got back from local music store. We auditioned the jbls and the qscs. Both had surprisingly good sound, but we really felt the qscs were a notch above. Guitarists bought them. Now I just have to come up with a grand for a sub and we're good to go for small venue gigs. Thanks for all the advice everyone.
 
#26
ThirstyMonkey said:
UPDATE: Just got back from local music store. We auditioned the jbls and the qscs. Both had surprisingly good sound, but we really felt the qscs were a notch above. Guitarists bought them. Now I just have to some up with a grand for a sub and we're good to go for small venue gigs. Thanks for all the advice everyone.
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which QSC's? my church uses nothing but QSC K-series PA units, and i'm in love with 'em.

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#29
Yep. The Studio Live is our board and we'll be using wired IEMs for everyone but our singer, who'll be wireless. We've booked our first gig (we're in San Antonio, TX and playing a Fiesta event, for those of you that might know). Our lead singer used to be a reporter and she's hooked us up with a videographer to record the show for use with our band press kit and website. We're going to try and play a couple of smaller events before then. I'm pleased with how little band drama we've had, must be a middle age thing.
 
#32
I would advise against a powered mixer. Chances are that you will have other items that can occupy a rack anyway, might as well go with nice power amps. More versatility and less to worry about damage etc IMO. I have been using a Carvin PA system for 14 years now and it has never let me down. It is not nearly as large as what you are looking at, but we are a 3 piece. We run 2 15" 2 way mains and 2 10" wedge monitors. Occasionally we through in the crossover and subs, but not often. We usually just use amp volume for guitar and bass and then mic the kick drum and run vocals and the occasional keyboard and theremin through the mains.it is a nice small setup that works great for most situations that require us provide our own sound reinforcement.

We're by no means sound engineers so we like to keep things simple. Our rig could be duplicated for a rather small budget, I'd say around 1200 bucks and I would have confidence in using most places, but again, we are only three.

At the very least, I would make sure whatever you end up with is versatile and can be hauled around with whatever vehicles you have. If its a pain in the ass to move it, I usually don't!
 
#33
I really like the Mackie SRM 450s. Great power. Lightweight. Efficient. Great Sound. Usually find them used at Guitar Center for under $300 each. You can find sub versions to put under them as well. A Mackie 1604 would be just fine as a mixer
 

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