My band just got 5 personal monitors, to make this quick the mixer only have 2 monitors out put. The question is how do I wire the other four. No by pass on the wireless receivers.
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Need to set up 5 in-ear monitors
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Is this for practice or gigs?
There are a couple of ways to do this with just what you have, and a couple of trs cables. Are you all intersted in sharing 2 general mixes, and is it ok to only have specific control of one instrument per user? For generalization, I would put the psm200s into two stacks (meaning users pick aux1 or aux2 as the general mix). Aux1 of mixer is plugged into ch1 of first psm200 in stack 1, then the passthrough on the back comes back around and feeds the ch1 input of the 2nd psm200 of that stack, and the passthrough comes around and feeds ch1 of the 3rd psm200 of that stack, and so on until you are out of units. For the users who like the other mix, the aux2 of the mixer feeds ch1 of the first psm200 of the other stack, and the passthrough feeds the second psm200,and so on. After that, each user plugs a single instrument;s DI or mic into ch2 of the psm200 as it makes its way to the board. When all is said and done, 2 mixes are utilized, and each user gets one input they can control that is only in their mix. Cables will be all over the place...
The cleanest way right now is to plug all inputs into your mixer, and just send out two pretty different monitor mixes out, and connect aux1 to ch1, and aux 2 to channel 2, and set all 5 belt packs to use one transmitter for now until you get a mixer with more aux sends, then bring them back out of storage. Mixers with 5 mixes are more expensive than ones with 4.
Im pretty sure this isn't going to fit your needs perfectly yet. I bet at least one person in your band wants control over vocals and instruments. That's only going to happen with a mixer that has more aux sends, one for each unique mix, but at least you can get started using them with what you have.
I built a split snake and use a second cheap 4aux send mixer and each of us now have their own unique mix that we control separate from FOH. Just take it in steps.
Wes
There are a couple of ways to do this with just what you have, and a couple of trs cables. Are you all intersted in sharing 2 general mixes, and is it ok to only have specific control of one instrument per user? For generalization, I would put the psm200s into two stacks (meaning users pick aux1 or aux2 as the general mix). Aux1 of mixer is plugged into ch1 of first psm200 in stack 1, then the passthrough on the back comes back around and feeds the ch1 input of the 2nd psm200 of that stack, and the passthrough comes around and feeds ch1 of the 3rd psm200 of that stack, and so on until you are out of units. For the users who like the other mix, the aux2 of the mixer feeds ch1 of the first psm200 of the other stack, and the passthrough feeds the second psm200,and so on. After that, each user plugs a single instrument;s DI or mic into ch2 of the psm200 as it makes its way to the board. When all is said and done, 2 mixes are utilized, and each user gets one input they can control that is only in their mix. Cables will be all over the place...
The cleanest way right now is to plug all inputs into your mixer, and just send out two pretty different monitor mixes out, and connect aux1 to ch1, and aux 2 to channel 2, and set all 5 belt packs to use one transmitter for now until you get a mixer with more aux sends, then bring them back out of storage. Mixers with 5 mixes are more expensive than ones with 4.
Im pretty sure this isn't going to fit your needs perfectly yet. I bet at least one person in your band wants control over vocals and instruments. That's only going to happen with a mixer that has more aux sends, one for each unique mix, but at least you can get started using them with what you have.
I built a split snake and use a second cheap 4aux send mixer and each of us now have their own unique mix that we control separate from FOH. Just take it in steps.
Wes
I just want this for the singers to hear each other. The mixer has two aux out and two Monitor out.
What brand mixer? If you don't have other uses for those aux outs, it might have 4 aux sends right now.
If you only need one mix, then put all of the receivers on the same channel and just use one transmitter.
If you only need one mix, then put all of the receivers on the same channel and just use one transmitter.
With more information, we can probably help better.
I don't mean to be flippant... just to give your easiest fastest answer....... everyone gets the same mix.. keep 4 transmitters in a box and tune all 5 receivers to the same channel.
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Unfortunately without any information, the replies aren't worth your time (like mine above)
What exactly do you have
what exactly are you looking to do
what personalities are using them
Do you have a budget for other gear
do you have a pro sound guy?
Timmy
I don't mean to be flippant... just to give your easiest fastest answer....... everyone gets the same mix.. keep 4 transmitters in a box and tune all 5 receivers to the same channel.
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Unfortunately without any information, the replies aren't worth your time (like mine above)
What exactly do you have
what exactly are you looking to do
what personalities are using them
Do you have a budget for other gear
do you have a pro sound guy?
Timmy
Thanks but you did answer my questions. One receiver and 5 belt pack tuned to the receiver for the same mix.
One transmitter, and 5 belt packs if they can all live with the same mix, as vocalists, should be ok. That's certainly much cheaper than 5 full psm200s, too, never a bad thing. you can buy one full psm200 unit (1 transmixer and 1 receiver) then buy 4 receivers. You can get the individual receivers for around half the price of a full unit. Some IEMs come in different bands, don't recall if the psm200 does. You must get the receivers on the same band as your full psm200 for them to "talk" to each other. For instance the M2 comes in a "M" band and "L" band, all the M band units can talk to each other, and all the L band units can talk to each other. The L's can't talk to the Ms though. Each band is on a different range of frequencies, like different tv stations. Should find out what local stations are in use, what freq they are on, and try to get a unit that avoids those freqs, and the freqs used by anyone else using wireless transmitters for guitars, etc. You have to find out what "Band M" means in terms of frequency, its made up terminology by each manufacturer. Band M for AT is not the same as band M for Shure.
I thought the PSM200's DO have a passthrough, though, on the transmitters. I was looking into them just a short while ago. You need 1 transmitter for each custom monitor mix, and also an available submix on the board for each custom mix, which is a problem on yours, with only 2 aux mixes. You can only have 2 custom mixes with that board.
With all vocalists, you may just need a "semi custom" mix, though. The singers will just want "more me" in the mix. You can do that with 1 aux mix and an extra psm200 transmitter for each diva. Use the same receivers.
If the singers can't share 1 mix, they just need "more me", I would take the monitor mix from the board containing all vocals, roll it through one channel of first transmixer, out the passthrough to the next transmixer, and so on for each "semi custom" mix. Plug everyone's mic into their personal psm200 transmitter on the other channel, and the passthrough to the board for that mic.
It will blend them. Leave the mic down all the way on the psm200, get reasonable volume with the channel containing the vocal mix with everyone. If someone needs more "me", they can bring up their mic on their psm200 to get more of their mic mixed in. 5 "semi custom" mixes with 1 aux mix on the board. Psm200 is very cool that way.
I do something similar for my bass, I have the monitor mix in one channel, and put my bass in the other channel to blend them. I settled on the M2 by audio technica instead of the psm200. You may want to consider them also, got one for $443 at JR music world, vs $599 for the psm200. $599 is the street price everywhere else for the AT M2 also, the $443 is a great price.
I would check into buying seperate receivers for the M2 before considering it, make sure the price of 1 full unit and 4 receivers is competitive with the psm200. Either unit gets good reviews, and I love the M2. The supplied earbuds won't work for bass, none of them do, but they'd be great for vocals.
Bass requires very good earbuds to reproduce respectably. Not a problem for the singers, luckily. The buds can cost as much or more than the extra receiver for the multidriver ones that work well for bass.
Randy
