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New to Bass :P

Squiers are generally good instruments and a J-bass is a good choice. But like everything else: You get what you pay for. With an Affinity J-bass I would definitely try before buying. They can be a bit inconsistent. The Squier CVs are a huge step up from the cheapest Squiers IMO, and generally very nice. But once you reach the Squier CV price range there are also several other VERY good options, like Sire/Marcus Miller or Yamaha BB (although the BBs are PJs, rather than J-basses).

If the "cheap'ish amp" you're using for playing at home is a GUITAR amp you don't want to use it for bass. For two reasons:

1) It will sound very poor.
2) You will blow the speaker.

Small practice amps for bass also have a rather poor tone, but at least they are (mostly...) built to handle the lower bass frequencies without blowing the speaker. If you need advice on a bass amp you can always start a thread in the "Amps and Cabs" sub-forum. (And THIS thread should probably have been in the "Basses" sub-forum...;)).
I've heard cv squiers are better than affinity, is there any specific differences between the two or is it just gradual improvements?

The fender bundle I'm looking to get comes with a rumble 15 amp wich would be an improvement from my current setup :smug:

lol I'm new to this forum thing but I'll make sure to put it in the bass sub forum thanks! :bassist:
 
I was looking for what's available used in your area at GC, and they have a used ATK for $400!

Aside from that, look for used. A lot of people trade up. You can get a good instrument that's set up well for much less than new.
 
Yes, plenty of free advice.
STOP with the excessive use of emojis.
Going from a tele to a full scale bass may be a leap for some people.
LOL, there is nothing funny about a Squier Jazz Bass, LOL.
You don't need pedals for the sake of having pedals. (a blasphemous statement in here)
IM USING ALL THE EMOJIS I WANT :smug::smug::bassist::bassist::D
I'm sure I can manage that ;)
I guess that's true about pedals but they're cool tho lol
 
Squier VM or CV basses are good. So are Ibanez, Yamaha and LTD. Try to find a used MIA Peavey in your area.

For amps I would pass the "bass+amp" bundle. I would also pass a practice amp, they don't sound good enough. for the price you pay. Check the used market for an amp you can play with a drummer, or for a good powered PA cab. I have an EV ZLX-12P that I can use for practice, for rehearsal with a small mixer and for parties on the patio. Way more use than a practice bass amp.
I've heard the Ibanez ones are also pretty good, I really like fender in general too :p
I haven't been able to find any good used amps lately I guess its pretty scarce but I'll keep looking!
 
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Welcome to the world of playing bass (almost!) ;):D
Squier Jazz bass would be a great first bass that will last years. Squier Precision bass too. Or Sire basses are a good inexpensive choice. Ibanez has some quality affordable choices to (but definitely look into which inexpensive models are better than others. You can get a decent bass for relatively cheap these days, but sometimes you really do get what you pay for & buyer beware.)

Just because a bass is inexpensive like a Squier or Sire, doesn't mean it's a "beginner" bass you'll grow out of. Plenty of working musicians play Squiers and Sires and Ibanez.

My advice (for whatever my opinion is worth):
- Get whatever bass you enjoy playing the most. Also, liking the way it looks is important to. It's always great to walk into the room and look at your bass and think, "That's such a cool bass and now i'm gonna play it for a while!" Don't feel silly for picking the bass you like over one that has "better specs". They'll both get the job done.

- When figuring out your budget put some money on the side to have it properly set up by a professional tech or luthier. A properly set up cheap bass will play as well as a bass twice as expensive, and most basses need a setup after you buy them. And learning on a properly set up bass makes learning easier because you're not fighting the instrument. (Don't go to Guitar Center or a major chain store for a setup.)

- Start going to shows in your area and talk to bassists in the bands. Obviously don't bother them while they're setting up or tearing down, but after the show, or before when they're hanging out, when they're not busy. Tell them you're looking to learn bass. Ask them if they know any good bass techs in the area because you want to a have a proper setup done after you buy your first bass. That'll probably get you points with them, that you're on the right path. If you're lucky they'll let you play their bass a little (but don't expect it.) hehe:thumbsup:

- If you're close to any music stores, just go in and play all the basses of all the different styles. Just see what feels and sounds good in your hands. That's the most important. Same thing with the amps. Try different ones and see which sounds good to you. People love their Fender Rumble series amps. They're affordable and sound good (if you like the Fender Rumble sound.) I'm not a huge fan, but people love them, and they're probably a great starting point.

Also note: A lot of the instruments on the wall at music stores like Guitar Center haven't been properly set up. If you're lucky, they've been set up a bare minimum so they don't buzz when you play, but they're not properly-properly set up. So as a beginner i can be hard to tell if a bass plays well when they're been poorly set up. You're just trying to get a general feel for different instruments. You don't have to buy one if it doesn't feel great. And if you do buy one there, or buy one online, you're gonna get it properly set up anyway, so just do your best feeling what you like about a bass.

- Don't worry about pedals. You don't need them. In the late 1990s i sold all my pedals and played without pedals until last month. Just get your bass and your amp running, and start learning to play. Great technique goes a long way and saves a lot of money on pedals you don't need because your technique is good enough to not need it. In the beginning you're better off spending the extra money on getting your bass set up properly and an amp that sounds good to you.

- To reiterate: You don't need pedals. You don't need FX. You don't need a pre amp (your amp has one already). You don't need an EQ (your amp has one already.) You don't need a compressor (a lot of amps have them built in, and unless you're good at setting one up, it'll just squash the life out of your sound.) You don't need distortion or chorus or reverb or delay. This is liberating because, since you don't need any pedals, when you want to start adding pedals to your signal chain, just get whatever pedals you think sound cool. That's it.

At some point you might want to get into the nuanced tweaking of certain compressors and EQs and outboard preamp pedals... but until you get to that point, just get whatever you like. Get whatever sounds cool and have fun with it. (But spend the money on a proper setup and amp first.) ;)

- Don't stress too much about which bass you buy first. Between Squier Jazz and Squier Precision, or Sire models, or Ibanez models, or the other basses people have recommended, they're all gonna be plenty fine. Just get whichever you like. Every bass sounds different, but they pretty much all sound like Bass Guitar. Once you've owned it for a while and get to know it better, you can start modifying it to your liking. Changing string styles and brands is one of the easiest and cheapest ways of getting completely different tones from your bass. (Well, actually, changing technique and playing styles is free and even more fun and effective. ;)) Pickups can be replaced. Components can be replaced. Or you can do what the rest of us suckers do and just start buying more basses. :roflmao:

- There's a world of information online that you can use to learn for free. There's also a lot of bad information online, and when you're just learning, it could be tough figuring out which is good info and which is bad. If at all possible, private in-person lessons are a great resource for learning and improvement. The instructor will curate the knowledge so that you're not searching endlessly guessing what you should learn next and if it's right. And they can give you immediate feedback as you play. And you can ask questions and get immediate answers. I know not everyone has access them, but if you can swing it, private lessons are terrific. (if the teacher is good and helps you learn)
OK I did in fact read all that :D

I agree with getting what you think looks the best LOL I just love how fender guitars look, I'm not saying other brands look bad but I just love the fender aesthetic.

I haven't really been into the local music scene sadly, I've been to a couple local shows with my friends but I only ever talked to one of the singers to get a picture with him :crying:, I'll make sure to pay more attention and talk to the bassist next time I go tho!

I've seen some smaller music stores near where I live but I've never actually been to any, I got my tele at guitar center but I never knew you had to set it up :dead: I'll probably head to guitar center when I can just to check out the basses. I'll make sure to get my bass properly set up!

I'm just starting lol and my budget isn't at that point where I can actually buy pedals yet >< but I've heard from many people that physical pedals aren't super necessary so I'll take that advice (As of right now, I've been using my amp's built in overdrive thing, and my korg synth for reverb on my guitar, ik its embarrassing but it works :bawl:)

Anyway I appreciate those words of advice tho lol :bassist:
 
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I've heard cv squiers are better than affinity, is there any specific differences between the two or is it just gradual improvements?

The fender bundle I'm looking to get comes with a rumble 15 amp wich would be an improvement from my current setup :smug:

lol I'm new to this forum thing but I'll make sure to put it in the bass sub forum thanks! :bassist:

So between the varying pricepoints for Squier/Fender (or really any instrument) there's sometimes feature/parts differences. Outside of that, it just tends to mean you have a higher chance of not getting a dog of an instrument. Meaning, there's a higher likelihood that there's not sharp fret ends, a badly cut nut, completely un-level frets, etc etc. I'd recommend checking them out in person if you can.

For starting out, the most important thing is "is your amp/instrument setup something that makes you want to play?". You already play guitar so the hurdle of "what do I do now" should be less, but you still should be in a position to look at your gear and want to play. For me, I'm not keen on the Fender Rumble series in general. The bassist before me in my previous band basically only used Rumbles. They're tools, and it's good to like the tools you use. I always loved what P basses and Ampeg amps sounded like. Same with Orange amps. I do not enjoy my own sound through them at all for example. That will develop more over time with exposure.

I'd worry about pedals secondarily. I find them to be contextual and textural and almost never have an "always on" pedal. Given the chance, watch some reviews but also check them out in a store if you're really interested. If you're testing a few together try some different configurations. Different pedal orders can create different sounds and may make the sound way better or worse.

Outside of that, there's a lot of useful research and information you can get in this forum but take it with a grain of salt and verify with your own ears when you can. There's a ton of helpful posts and posters that will try to give you information if asked, but like in any forum there's also the usual fair share of crochety fogies whose terminally online existence is built on telling people what should/shouldn't be considered good.
 
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A Squier Classic vibe or 40th anniversary can make any bass player happy, no matter if it’s a precision bass or a jazz bass. Best thing is to try them before buying.

As for an amp or combo, I would recommend a combo at first making sure the woofer is at least a 12". I started with a single 7" and got satisfied only when I got my Ampeg Rocket Bass RB 112.
Is the amp I get important for practicing at home if I'm just starting or should I start with something good?
 
I would say delay amp purchase, since you have a decent headphone & DAW setup. Put more money into just a decent bass. Buy used. Squire CV series gets a good recommendation around here.

I think , since you have FL studio you should learn to install VST plugins for it and then try out VST bass amp simulators to see what amp sounds you like, and then seek out those kinds of amps in reallife.
I have downloaded some plugins, but I'll make sure to try out bass plugins thanks!
 
a few more...
"fire the drummer" - the solution to any band personnel issue (even if unrelated to drummer)
"weight?" - a serious question when asked about a for-sale bass, a joke when used randomly.
"carrots" - not a joke per say, but a placeholder for "no comment" or "i don't see my answer represented here" in talkbass polls

And just wait until you hear about the Mothman. And Mothgirl. :D

There are many more, just can't think of them now...

Anyway, welcome to the loony bin :)
Weight?


(Idk did i use the joke correcltry:crying:)
 
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a few more...
"fire the drummer" - the solution to any band personnel issue (even if unrelated to drummer)
"weight?" - a serious question when asked about a for-sale bass, a joke when used randomly.
"carrots" - not a joke per say, but a placeholder for "no comment" or "i don't see my answer represented here" in talkbass polls

And just wait until you hear about the Mothman. And Mothgirl. :D

There are many more, just can't think of them now...

Anyway, welcome to the loony bin :)
Can’t forget tort pickguards!!
 
Maybe I missed it but do you have a budget? Also, bass is truly a different animal than guitar, despite outward appearances, rather like badgers and wolverines! If you have the ability, test drive some stuff at your local stores. New, used, whatever. When you find one (bass or amp) that makes you smile spontaneously when you play it, get it if you can afford it. That's all I've got for you. Welcome to TalkBass! This is a great community!

BBB
I have some money saved up but I'm not trying to spend more than like 400$ for a starting bass (amp included maybe) and yea I'll make sure to check out my local stores thanks! :cool:
 
I've heard cv squiers are better than affinity, is there any specific differences between the two or is it just gradual improvements?

The fender bundle I'm looking to get comes with a rumble 15 amp wich would be an improvement from my current setup :smug:

lol I'm new to this forum thing but I'll make sure to put it in the bass sub forum thanks! :bassist:

The CVs have better overall build quality and better quality control. I've seen many Affinity basses with serious issues. Typically problems with the neck/truss rod that develop over time. I hardly ever see CVs with serious issues. Don't get me wrong, many Affinity basses are good instruments too but the CVs are a safer choice (and obviously more expensive...).

The CVs also have better pickups IMO. The CV pickups have alnico magnets. The Affinity pickups use ceramic magnets. Some people love the tone of the Affinity ceramic pickups but personally I find them a bit sterile/harsh sounding.

If I was looking for a J-bass in the Affinity price range I would rather get a Harley Benton JB-75. These are truly exceptional instruments for the price, comparable to Squier CVs, or maybe even MIM Fenders. The only negative is the weight. The JB-75 has a HEAVY ash body.

Another alternative is the Harley Benton PJ-74, which is also a fantastic instrument for the price but obviously a PJ rather than a J-bass.

The Rumble 15... Don't expect too much from it. It can be ok as a "bedroom" practice amp I guess, but utterly useless for anything beyond that.
 
Lotta great advice in here already, but I'll throw in some bullet points too...

- Bass has less in common with guitar than people may think. Treat it like it like a totally different animal :beaver:
- Squier Jazz is a solid option (I'd recommend Classic Vibe over Affinity). Ibanez, Sire, Yamaha...lots of alternatives out there too. :thumbsup:
- Whatever bass you buy, try to play it before throwing down the money. :bassist:
- If you're not already into Motown, Funk, or Reggae....start. :cool:
- Learn as much as you can about bass amps on here too :)

- Keep using emojis :D
my dad's really into reggae so I'll ask him for some recommendations :smug:
thank you for the advice tho!
 
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Agreed, Squires are hit-or-miss but when they hit, its a steal.

Try the bass in the shop. Play chromatically up from the open string to the 20th fret to check for fret buzz. And take the bass to a luthier to set it up for action etc.

In terms of technique, relaxation is key, lots of issues others and I have/had relates to tensing the forearm/wrist/shoulder when playing.

Do not overlook the value of muting technique. It's a big-a** deal on bass bc two ringing strings in this register is gurgled garbage.
I've seen people mention setting up here, is there a way I can set it up myself or does it have to be done my a professional?
I've practiced a muting on my guitar a little so I have some experience :bassist: