Not cutting through.

[tom once dead]

today at practice, I tried running my head on just the tube preamp (its switchable SS & Tube) and it wasnt cutting through at all unless I turned up a bit.

What Can I do to cut through more.

 

[JimmyM]

Turn up a bit.

You had to know that was coming.

I don't know, maybe boost your upper mid a tad, bring your bass response down a tad, and bring the volume up a little tio compensate for the bass rolloff. Don't overdo any of it, though. A little goes a long way in a mix.

 

[rodl2005]

+1 to Jimmy's comments. & try having yr 410 cab up close as poss to ear level- or tilted back as to point @ yr head. Makes a LOTTA difference.

 

[soulgaard1]

In my ear, SS amps is one one-dimentional soundwise than tube-amps.
While tubeamps generally blend in more in most setting, it will feel less punchy at the same volume.

But try to boost various areas of the mids (i usually boost 200-250 hz if i need more punch.)

or just turn up a bit

 

[namraj]

Turn up a bit.

You had to know that was coming.

I don't know, maybe boost your upper mid a tad, bring your bass response down a tad, and bring the volume up a little tio compensate for the bass rolloff. Don't overdo any of it, though. A little goes a long way in a mix.

+1

 

[namraj]

In my ear, SS amps is one one-dimentional soundwise than tube-amps.

whats that supposed to mean?

 

[tom once dead]

I've only got 3 mid voices and a voice setting thing
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Thats what I have to work with. I love the tube preamp (Classic) and dont like using the modern (SS) channe becuase My bass makes the compresor crap its pants.

EQ: Gain 2 o'clock volume 2 o'clock bass 1:30 ish mid shift 2 voice 2:30ish and treble at 2 o'clock.

I was also using a PA speaker with a 15" and horn, But I seem to have the same problem with my 410

 

[moomoocajoo]

whats that supposed to mean?

It means he's trying to justify buying that Mesa Boogie head...


Just kidding, I have no idea.

 

[alexclaber]

I've only got 3 mid voices and a voice setting thing
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Thats what I have to work with. I love the tube preamp (Classic) and dont like using the modern (SS) channe becuase My bass makes the compresor crap its pants.

Turn the compressor off then and EQ the s/s channel for lots of mids and then mix a small amount of s/s with mostly the tube sound.

Alex

 

[Rick Auricchio]

My bass makes the compresor crap its pants.

Ah, now we're getting into some technical terms.

If by "crap its pants" you mean the compressor is constantly working to reduce gain, then you're either overdriving it or its threshold is set too low.

A compressor will never increase your volume; it always reduces gain. The intent is to keep peaks under control, allowing you to increase overall gain later in the signal path. Without compression, those peaks would overload the following stages.

Cut back on the compression and things will be better.

 

[JimmyM]

You're using the amp's onboard compressor? Here's a good setting for it...OFF. Amp compressors are almost always crap.

 

[mrkreuzschlitz]

Ask your guitarists to cut back on the bass in their amps also. You can get a good tone from a guitar without a ton of bass in it, then it sounds REALLY good when you come in.

 

[john_g]

In my personal experience, I find that it doesnt have as much to do with volume as I had thought and more to do with EQing (like the others have said). However, my Hartke HA2500 solid state amp actually punches through more than my Ampeg SVT-III at around the same volume. That is even with the EQs adjusted. The Ampeg however sounds better solo, and "fills" the room much more, so its a bit of a tradeoff. Ive got the Ampeg to an acceptable level of cutting through but its still not as much as I used to have.

 

[bassman blue]

i think 'turning up' has the most merit. i want to be heard with the tone i prefer. i can only do that by having sufficient power and the rig that can handle it. i've always thought that by boosting mids or whatever you have to do to cut through, is a trade off for tone... just my humble opinion...

 

[phatbass]

Turn off the compressor.

Get everyone else to turn down.

Your ears will thank you when you reach 50 and still have some hearing left.

 

[tom once dead]

So its not bad to turn off the compressor?
And in reply to Rick; The gain is on the tubr pre side, so it hs no effect on the compressor. My bass has high output pups, I have to cut some bass out on my bass(guitar) so the amp doesnt distort.

I also run the compressor at 1 or 0, I guess I'll just turn it off now.