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Not Short Scale but Easier

I started on a short scale bass and still play a short scale bass and totally love it. As a petit woman, a 34" was just uncomfortable for me to stretch my arms and fingers that far. You want a bass that you can play for hours at a time without hurting yourself. BTW, another woman on this site just got a Caprice and really loves the way it feels - you might try one out and see how it feels to you. Good luck on your new musical endeavor.
 
Ibanez makes long scales with thinner necks. Which you might find easier to play. Or not.
I have short fingers and love the feel of the Ibanez SR series necks (slim neck). It might be interesting and not too difficult to do an ABC comparison between a Fender/Squire P bass (wider, thicker neck), a Fender/Squire Jazz (slimmer, thinner) and an Ibanez SR (thinnest, slimmest). Any of these models are available in your price range. More important, these three options would at least tell you what your fingers like now. Preferences change sometimes, but that's just another reason why it's good there are so many basses to chose from.
 
Hi, I am looking to buy a bass as a beginner. I have read a lot about the short scale (which I tried at a music store and it was considerably more comfortable) versus the standard. Everyone seems to have a different opinion. I know the short scales are better for beginners but it seems the models they come in are limited to a few good ones and they are not good for hard rock music thus are limiting in sound. I have asked some guys that work at guitar stores when I go and they seem to know very little about bass and just tell me to "look for something in the $200-300 range". I was hoping one of them could play a song on a few different basses so I can hear for myself what the different sound would be in an actual song. For playing general alt rock (for example Alice and Chains, Nirvana etc) will the short scale really be fine or is better for the long run to "train" your hands and fingers to play a standard? Are there models of standard basses that you could suggest that are designed so that, while not short scale, they still have a better ease of playing?

There is no such thing as a hard rock bass. All the basses work for all the styles of music. The issues are the rest of the signal chain and your comfort with the bass.

Plus, there are techniques for dealing with long scale basses:
 
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Scale length can be deceiving. I had a short scale bass whose neck felt farther away than my 34" scale basses. Shape of the body and where the neck joins the body makes a big difference. The shape of the neck also makes a difference. Try as many as you can get your hands and don't just use a single parameter to make your choice.
 
There is no such thing as a hard rock bass. All the basses work for all the styles of music. The issues are the rest of the signal chain and your comfort with the bass.

Plus, there are techniques for dealing with long scale basses:

That's true to a point, but not always. I have three short scales (my preferred scale) and in my current band I use a 34" because we always play a half-step down and sometimes I detune the "E" string a whole step further down to C#. On my short scales it gets muddy and they're just not right for it. Both of my 34" basses have no problem. If I played 5-string I would totally try the Mikro 5, but I've always been more comfortable with 4-string basses.
 
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After years of playing standard scales basses, I've determined that short scale is better for me. No one on here can say what's best for you. It's something you have to figure out for yourself. Being a true beginner, it might be best to get yourself an inexpensive 34" bass and play for a while. Then you'll be able to make a much more informed decision on what's best for you.

Just a few random thoughts:

Short scale does rock just fine. Anyone who says otherwise is just ignorant.

Many people play short scale because they want to, not because it's a fall back due to physical limitations.

You will be limited when shopping for short scales. Your local GC or independent store isn't likely to have much, especially if you want something a bit more upscale or want particular features. Those basses exist, but you'll have to shop online and order without playing.

The point made previously about drop tunings is probably valid. Also, short scale can be probematic for a low B of a five string or BEAD tuning. There are some well made examples that do fine, but for the most part, it's a challenge to find the right strings and technique to make it work well.

Good luck on your quest.
 
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That's true to a point, but not always. I have three short scales (my preferred scale) and in my current band I use a 34" because we always play a half-step down and sometimes I detune the "E" string a whole step further down to C#. On my short scales it gets muddy and they're just not right for it. Both of my 34" basses have no problem. If I played 5-string I would totally try the Mikro 5, but I've always been more comfortable with 4-string basses.

That's a good point but it's circumstantial to you. It doesn't take into consideration strings and other gadgets, that you might have a tough time acquiring, or might not even exist.
 
That's a good point but it's circumstantial to you. It doesn't take into consideration strings and other gadgets, that you might have a tough time acquiring, or might not even exist.
True. I did get heavier gauge strings (D'Addario medium scale + medium gauge) for my Mustang and while it did improve the clarity, I still get better tone out of my longer scale basses when tuned down. The OP may not run into this issue if his band doesn't play in drop D, but it's something to consider.

Edit: this is also why I suggested Ibanez earlier. I have the bottom of the line GSR190 (from the starter pack) and it feels like a shorter scale to me. Often times more comfortable than my Jaguar, but sounds nowhere near as nice.
 
I have three shortscales that are very comfortable to me to play , fist of all if you feel best with a shortscale in hand go for it , are you to lazy to move your hands and fingers go for it , but if you want more definition go for standard bass , there is not very much good in shortscales , I had a Squier shortscale something Jaguar and it cuts your hands open ;,the frets are like knives sticking out of the fretboard .. so out it went , I have a very expensive original Hofner 500 Ct made in Germany , sound is magnificent , feel is nothing for me , I don't like to touch it , I bought the cheapo version from Hofner made in Asia and it felt very good in my hands .. I started to modify it to my likings , since I was an aerly Ibanez acooustic fretless player , I am used to fretless and I took out all the frets , made it shiny and polished , oiled . and there we go what a feel from a stupid cheapo Hofner : price :300 Eu . I swopped the strings for my beloved jazz strings Black Vynil labellas . I swopped the pickups for old vintage Schaller pickups and there she is stinking lovely fretless shortscale cheapo Hofner that plays like a fidle , thin nek of 38mm lightweight instrument . after all these modes I changed the electronics , made my own 4 positions switch and one volume and one tonepot .. that's my final instrument for some years now I love to play it, my friends like to hold it and a very famous Gipsy guitar player wanted me to built him exactly the same instrument ! but the a few years later I met the Epi VIOLA !! And man what a sound !! same treatment , fretless , vynil labellas ,Gibson vintage pickups and the 4 positions switch .. this is it !! I never want another instrument ! I tried fender Pbass, Jazzbass.. no way for me , I tried an upright electric bass ,once hada double bass in hands , since I am used to play fretless I thought Ok lets give it a try .. 2 months and out it went . I stick to my Viola custom and my spare Hofner custom .. the expensive German Hofner is standing in the corner , I dont like it at all . so buy a cheap instrument that you like to hold in your hands and make it sing your tone by modding the thing until you are hooked to your sound . Pickups and strings do a lot to it . I play on a Fender Studiobass and a JBL 215 bassbox <;; had the Ampeg 810 fridge with a V4B kicked it all out .. used a 410 HLF , it gave me a nice round and warm bass , but the JBL is much more detailed . and yes Fretless is something you get used to and everybody admires if you master it .
so feel it at first nomatter what sound it makes if you like the feel of it .. go for it and start finding your own sound by changing things . start with strings . vynils or flatwounds .. lovely feel ! go for better pickups compare them on sound . and look for good amp and cab . happy 'bassing'
 
Some manufacturers produce a 33in scale bass. Its only an inch but makes a world of difference. To my knowledge I only know of two builders doing this currently. One is Fodera, probably cost prohibitive for a beginner, or Bacchus. The Bacchus is fender style instrument and a 33in scale model can be had for between 7 and 800

There is one more 33" scale out there, Drake custom. I have a 33" scale Drake and they show up in the classifieds from time to time.
 
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I don't agree with anyone who says you have to play 34" basses. When I first started playing almost three years ago, I did so because there was a reasonable selection of sub-short scale bass ukes available. Since then I will not play anything longer than 24-25" I've found or modified a variety of bass ukes with poly strings with under saddle piezo pickups, and a bunch of steel string magnetic pickup that I use for a whole variety of music (see my signature). It's all about what you choose to get used to. I'm very happy with very short scale.
I don't agree with anyone who says you have to play 34" basses. When I first started playing almost three years ago, I did so because there was a reasonable selection of sub-short scale bass ukes available. Since then I will not play anything longer than 24-25" I've found or modified a variety of bass ukes with poly strings with under saddle piezo pickups, and a bunch of steel string magnetic pickup that I use for a whole variety of music (see my signature). It's all about what you choose to get used to. I'm very happy with very short scale.

I had an Ashbury but did it away since I found the sound to 'rubberry ' and I needed always Talkum on my fingers to slide ... not very comfortable when sweating in the heat of the fire . but anyway if you like the small Uke why not .. it's all a matter of pêrsonal taste
 
Is ANYBODY noticing that the OP asked his question as a BEGINNER?

Yes...I totally got that. He seems unsure about which bass to buy because of being a beginner. Therefore short scale is on his radar (although he did say "not short scale..but easier").

Hard to say which bass is "not short scale...but easier". Like he wants the ease of a shortscale but still a longscale.

But you never know until you go try. For him the problem is compounded because he's a beginner and can't play anything yet it seems. So he wants someone at the store to play something for him so he can see what it sounds like.

That won't help him much other than knowing what it sounds like.

But to just default to a shorty because someone said it's a beginner bass is erroneous.

He may be fine on a longscale, depending which brand. Or a shorty may be just the ticket.

He needs to determine this somehow before buying.
 
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I'm a guitar player converted to Bass player. In the past I've played the 34", but my fist bass purchase was the infamous short scale the Ibanez Mikro. Reason I got it was, it fit in my 2 guitar gig bag, and it was easy to get to jam sessions without toting 2 different size gig bags. And the neck was similar to the sale of a Fender Strat. And, I used it for digital recording.

However, once I really got into the Bass, I sold the Mikro, and got a regular 34".
 
You say this as if it is a widely agreed-upon fact -- as if teachers generally recommend starting on short-scale and later moving to long-scale -- but that just isn't true. You could do it, of course, and there might be some teachers who would recommend it, but it isn't anything like a truism.

I learned on a short-scale bass for the first few months -- but I didn't know it. I had borrowed a bass from a friend that happened to be short-scale, but he didn't tell me that and I didn't know at the time that basses have different scale lengths. After those first few months I made my first trip to a music store with the intention of buying a bass, and it was one of the most frustrating afternoons I've ever experienced: I couldn't play a single bass in the store. I was like, "What is wrong with all these things?" I went home empty-handed that day, but some time later went out and bought a long-scale bass. What followed was months of frustration, as I felt like I was starting from scratch again. Eventually I got used to it, of course, but I think starting on the short-scale really set me back, and that I would have been much better off if I had started on a long-scale bass from the start.

I started out on a shorts cale Kalamzoo KB as a kid, and really didn’t even know there were scales. I went from there to a Fender Coronado Hollow body which is also SS still not knowing about scales. Years later I bought a Jazz, and then I realized there were scales because it was hell to play. My experience is much like Lobster11’s as far as frustration, and I have said many times on this topic that I believe it is easier to go from long scale to short than the other way around. In many bands I played in over the years, I also sang. And when singing and playing my Jazz I was always looking at my fingers on the fret board.

It took some getting use to but I can switch back and forth between LS and SS with no problem, but SS by far is still easier to play when singing. I own 11 basses, 5 are SS, and since I’m retired now from touring with bands, I pretty much play for myself or jam with friends. In most cases I will grab one of my shorties.

Since you’re a beginner you may not know which bass is the most comfortable, at least I wouldn’t have in my teens, so you might have to have someone pick for you. Some of the more seasoned bassist have given you some good advice, so I’ll throw mine in too. My 1st was a Kalamazoo which is a lot like a Epi EB0. It was easy to play and had few knobs for me to worry about tone shaping. It was solid in the mix but I was always tuning. I didn’t realize at the time it was a crap plywood cheapo with bad tuners.

Maybe a EB0 will work for a SS. If you go LG get a Squier P for the same reason. It sounds good in the mix and you can concentrate on learning to play. I personally do not recommend the SS Jag. Many on the site really like them, others have said it feels like a toy in their hands. I do own one, and it’s probably my least favorite bass, although I don’t hate it. The neck is very thin, and the string spacing is small. Try learning on that, and then moving to long scale, it will probably drive you nuts.

Whatever you buy, invest in a good setup!!!...........Good Luck

BTW, “Short scale is not good for rock”, is total crap. Noel Redding played a Mustang on occasions with Jimi Hendrix.

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Scale is an important question.
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32" . . . start in the middle. "Not short scale, but easier."
How can you go wrong?

don't like the color, be a rocker and paint it black.
don't like the scale, sell it to me.
inexpensive, decent quality, versatile.
 
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