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Noticed something with the Markbass amps

#82
BullHorn said:
Too late to get something else. I love the sound, I just hate it not cutting properly.

We're playing in a 100% cement room with poor acoustic covers on the walls and ceiling. I was suggested to try raise the combo away from the floor because it's possibly eatting up all the low end. I will try it next time.
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You can move things around and change strings and all sorts of finesse, but if you're not getting the low-end you want now, it's not likely to appear until you get an amp that does the job that you require. No matter where I place my rig in a room, it can kick you in the chest with a fat low C because my amp rig makes it happen. It's a rack case with seperate components that weighs in at around 30 - 40 lbs, but I have complete confidence in it's abilities wherever I go.
 
#83
mrokern said:
It's all an individual preference. I think my LMII has got low end cajones beyond what I've ever asked from it...and I play as loud on stage as the sound engineer will allow. Pants flapping loud. Guitarists crying uncle loud. LOUD. I've never had an issue with my 4 or my 5 string...in fact, my B string is what usually induces the cries for mercy from the guitarists.
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Well then it looks as though I will be thoroughly confident and happy with a LMII in my gig bag. Thanks for the input.
 
#84
It just seems that a petty Fender Rumble 100w cuts better than 300w Little Mark II.

Next rehearsal, I'll ask my band to be as loud as usual and compare the two combos. The Rumble is on wheels a bit above the floor, might be the reason?

I always planned to get an extra cab to move more air, but hell, is it really useless without an extra cab? So much money paid for a combo that is only good for playing at home (Well, it's actually way too loud to be played at home :/).


Something is just not right. How can I, one person, be so anti-markbass? It SOUNDS good, but you can't really hear it... lol. ._.
 
#86
What ohms is the Fender Rumble speaker?
If it's 8 ohms, maybe you can use it as an extensions speaker with the 2x10.

Maybe you can borrow a 4x10 or 2x15 for rehearsal or a gig to hear how it sounds.

For your rehearsal space I suggest hanging/mounting some carpet on all, the walls, put some sound board around the drummer, get the amps up to ear level, turn down the volume and go from there. A concrete room or venue is the worst to cut through.
 
#88
LP75 said:
Well then it looks as though I will be thoroughly confident and happy with a LMII in my gig bag. Thanks for the input.
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The key to getting the LMII loud is the same as other amps: more cone surface area, and running the amp at its lowest rated load (4 ohms, in this case).

I will say that I tried my LMII into an Acme B2 (4 ohm) at a gig once, and that was NOT for me. Not nearly enough volume, and the sound was biased far too low for my taste.

-Mark
 
#89
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That's how it looks. The distance from my amp to 'dima' is roughly 4 meters. From the door the the wall near 'dima', it's like 5-6 meters tops.

100% concrete with padded walls and ceiling and a thin carpet on the floor, 12 feet underground.
 
#90
Master at 4 o`clock?? I`m shure you need a bigger rig or a 210/410 cab to hook up with your 102P. IME the MB heads do compress a little when you are overpushing them. Even my SD800 does that when I hit the B really hard.
I hope you wears earplugs in that room
 
#91
If you have to amplify the kick drum in a small rehearsal room like that, something is wrong from the very start. I've played with very loud setups (Hardrock, Thrash Metal) but those drummers never had to amplify their bass drum. It seems that you are all competing against each other instead of just being loud enough so everybody can hear everybody else and themselves.

Some suggestions though:

- Try to get an MB 4x10 or similar suitable extension cab (it probably must be 8 Ohm, check your amp manual) or even a big amp (like an Ampeg with 8x10 fridge) to try in your room

- Try to tilt the amp to point at your ears, possibly raising it

- If you have a friend who's sound engineer, ask him to come around and do the leveling with the goal to get a good sound at the lowest possible level

I know loud is fun (been there, done that), but I think you guys are playing too loud for your equipment, for your room and for your ears anyway.
 
#95
It just baffles me when it seems a tiny 100w Rumble combo cuts in just fine, even with the kickdrum amplified.

I tried tilting back and aiming at my head from ~3 meters away, but the rhythm guitarist is overpowering me if I stand under the PA speaker.

This is maddening me more than anything ever did. I'm clueless and can't afford an extension cab right now. A Markbass 4x10 costs almost as much as the 2x10 Combo. That combo costed me a year's savings (And I'm still in debt... lol).

p.s. you can't real make the guitars quieter because there are two Fender Blues Reissue guitar amps in the room that have a thing with their Master knob. They are as loud on '1' as they are on '11'. It's vintage-like, so more Master only adds more gain/overdrive. It's as loud as it gets down at '1'. ._.
 
#96
BullHorn said:
It just baffles me when it seems a tiny 100w Rumble combo cuts in just fine, even with the kickdrum amplified.
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The Rumble has no bottom and will be overdriving all the time and that helps the sound cut through. Stick an overdrive pedal in front your Markbass and turn the lows down and it'll probably sound similar.

Alex
 
#97
BullHorn said:
p.s. you can't real make the guitars quieter because there are two Fender Blues Reissue guitar amps in the room that have a thing with their Master knob. They are as loud on '1' as they are on '11'. It's vintage-like, so more Master only adds more gain/overdrive. It's as loud as it gets down at '1'. ._.
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Rubbish. There is no amp that exists that you cannot turn down to near silence.

Alex
 
#99
I will try everything mention in the thread and post my results next week.

You're free to ignore this thread, but I'm still going to try to find a solution without getting an extra cabinet. Paying 2000 dollars just to be heard in a rehearsal room is too damn much.


And there is a bloody mice infestation around, I just caught 3. Goddamn.
 
#100
BullHorn said:
You're free to ignore this thread, but I'm still going to try to find a solution without getting an extra cabinet. Paying 2000 dollars just to be heard in a rehearsal room is too damn much.
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The best solution is not more speakers but to turn the guitar amps down and to not mike the kick drum. Keep the PA just for the vocals!

Practising quietly is the best way to get a band sounding good - it lets you hear all the details much more clearly.

Alex
 

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