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Double Bass NS Design WAV 4 vs. Ibanez UB804

Arnold Dengler

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May 28, 2024
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I am 73 and played acoustic double bass at my church for about 30 years—first in an orchestral setting, and later with a contemporary folk group. I finally had to stop using the acoustic upright because of significant arthritis in my knees, shoulders, and thumbs. My knees can give out when I am carrying the instrument, my shoulders have severe bone-on-bone arthritis that limits mobility, and my thumb joints make playing more difficult.

To continue playing, I bought both an NS Design WAV4 and an Ibanez UB804.

Several members of our group say they miss the upright bass sound and ask why I gave it up. Our church seats about 1,400 people, and with the acoustic upright I used a pickup running through the sound system. In other words, the congregation was mainly hearing the amplified pickup sound—not the natural acoustic sound of the bass itself.

I expected the WAV4 to sound most like an upright. In practice, though, I find it difficult to play and not especially satisfying sonically. It has a noticeable clacking sound, and the volume and response seem uneven from note to note: some notes are much stronger while others are weak. It is also more physically painful for me to play.

The Ibanez UB804 is much more comfortable and produces a stronger, more consistent bass sound through the system, although it does not sound as much like a traditional upright. Some group members want the upright-type sound back, but my wife and several parishioners have told me they think the Ibanez sounds better.

For someone in my situation—playing contemporary church music through a large sound system, while managing arthritis and mobility limitations—which instrument would you keep: the WAV4 or the Ibanez UB804? Have others found ways to make the WAV4 sound more even and less percussive, or is the Ibanez simply the better practical choice?
 
I dislike both, the NS EUB and the Ibanez EUBG. The NS for the stand but more for the non-ending fingerboard where I cannot hook my fingers under the strings where the FB should have ended and the Ibanez for the need to use EBG strings (therefor electric upright bass guitar).

I don’t like the T endpin foot of the Eminence, but I think it will be closer to your DB in playing experience. And since it has a hollow body it should be lighter.

I no longer carry my 4/4 5-string through the streets. The bass buggy is helpful after you learned how to steer it. I only need to lift it up shortly on height differences. But I’m still a decade younger.
But shoving it into the car gets more and more difficult. But it’s a heavy beast.

Are you playing sitting now? I tried that with my EUB but after more than an hour the sitting flesh hurts. (Each has one’s own problems…)

I don’t understand why the EUBs are easier to play with the same shoulder and hand problems, except for the smaller BG scale.

Try a very short room reverb with the EUBs. That might help a bit. Not as a room simulation but only to make the sound more lively.
 
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I dislike both, the NS EUB and the Ibanez EUBG. The NS for the stand but more for the non-ending fingerboard where I cannot hook my fingers under the strings where the FB should have ended and the Ibanez for the need to use EBG strings (therefor electric upright bass guitar).

I don’t like the T endpin foot of the Eminence, but I think it will be closer to your DB in playing experience. And since it has a hollow body it should be lighter.

I no longer carry my 4/4 5-string through the streets. The bass buggy is helpful after you learned how to steer it. I only need to lift it up shortly on height differences. But I’m still a decade younger.
But shoving it into the car gets more and more difficult. But it’s a heavy beast.

Are you playing sitting now? I tried that with my EUB but after more than an hour the sitting flesh hurts. (Each has one’s own problems…)

I don’t understand why the EUBs are easier to play with the same shoulder and hand problems, except for the smaller BG scale.

Try a very short room reverb with the EUBs. That might help a bit. Not as a room simulation but only to make the sound more lively.
I put my upright up for sale in Cincinnati. I will miss it. I like the Ibanez because it's still in an upright position, and the neck is thicker, giving it a more upright feel, so I feel more like home. But it sounds more like a bass guitar, and I thought the NS Design with its 41-inch string length would provide the "boom" that everyone expects out of me. I play standing up, and frankly, I like the stands.
 
You might want to try a Ninomute, available from Gollihur, among others. I use one on my Yamaha SLB300. The purpose is to eliminate some of the sustain, and add some "thump." I don't know if "thump" equates to "boom," for you, but it has worked for me. I'm 79, and had to give up my acoustic basses about 4 years ago. I'd rather be playing one of those, but no one I play with has complained. Here is a link to the Ninomute on the Gollihur site:
 
I put my upright up for sale in Cincinnati. I will miss it. I like the Ibanez because it's still in an upright position, and the neck is thicker, giving it a more upright feel, so I feel more like home. But it sounds more like a bass guitar, and I thought the NS Design with its 41-inch string length would provide the "boom" that everyone expects out of me. I play standing up, and frankly, I like the stands.
Oh yes, I forgot the special neck profile of the NS EUBs.

Not that I recommend one as a DB replacement, but the Stagg EDB has a thick neck but a fingerboard profile that is a bit flat. Bows like a 5-string DB string to string.
There are much better ones, but you might be able to find one close to you to try.

You can use normal DB strings on it, standard DB scale. Maybe a bit long for an EUB. At least playable with some small modifications.
I prefer the ones with a rosewood fingerboard as the board could be dressed. The totally black neck is one piece and the black coating might need to be removed for dressing.

The only really bad thing is the bridge, too heavy adjusters and the strings are basically equal height. But reshaping the bridge crown is not a major thing (but totally replacing it would be better).

BTW, this is an endpin instrument, so maybe not what you prefer under your conditions.
 
You might want to try a Ninomute, available from Gollihur, among others. I use one on my Yamaha SLB300. The purpose is to eliminate some of the sustain, and add some "thump." I don't know if "thump" equates to "boom," for you, but it has worked for me. I'm 79, and had to give up my acoustic basses about 4 years ago. I'd rather be playing one of those, but no one I play with has complained. Here is a link to the Ninomute on the Gollihur site:
I was thinking of the same thing. Thanks for the advice.