O.J. Simpson Depositions on A&E

[Munjibunga]

The jury was not dumb. It was a jury full of people with no faith in the judicial system.
I think OJ was guilty. I also think that a society that tolerates the oppression of some people will suffer repercussions for that tolerance. If innocent kids killed in the ghetto does not upset people in the nice part of town. Then the deaths of those who are privileged will not upset the oppressed.

Before anyone says "what about black on black crime," I will say no one wants to be a victim of a criminal period, but no one is shocked that criminals act like criminals. When law enforcement is unfair and corrupt, it totally destroys any faith in the system.

Fair points, but I'm sticking with brain-dead.

 

[David Jayne]

Chris Rock had an interesting perspective on this a few years ago.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Considering that every police department in the country has it out for him, he won't be out for long if he does get out.

If he makes it out alivr

Fair points, but I'm sticking with brain-dead.

That's what most do. If it's just a dumb jury, there is no need to look at how screwed up the system is.

 

[Munjibunga]

The jury was not dumb. It was a jury full of people with no faith in the judicial system.
I think OJ was guilty. I also think that a society that tolerates the oppression of some people will suffer repercussions for that tolerance. If innocent kids killed in the ghetto does not upset people in the nice part of town. Then the deaths of those who are privileged will not upset the oppressed.

Before anyone says "what about black on black crime," I will say no one wants to be a victim of a criminal period, but no one is shocked that criminals act like criminals. When law enforcement is unfair and corrupt, it totally destroys any faith in the system.

Here's a semi-related story. I testified as an expert witness on six separate days on a civil case in an L.A. court (6th and Commonwealth). It was a long trial (three weeks or so). The case went to the jury, and they deliberated for three and a half weeks, then came back with a complete defense verdict - no monetary award. When asked when the jury had its mind made up, the jury foreman said, "We were at 98 percent when we entered the deliberation room." When asked why they were out for so long, she said, "Most of us are public servants on full pay and we didn't want to go back to work." At least she was honest.

Anyway, that's the same jury pool that found O.J. not guilty (although this one got it right). I don't think there were any brain surgeons on either jury.

Side note: In the civil case I mentioned, the judge immediately ordered retrials for two of the defendants and entered a judgement against the third, throwing out the jury's verdict (he was an obvious plaintiff's whore from the very start). The plaintiff's attorney told the two defendants, "If you each give me $400,000, I won't retry the case." The defendants' insurance companies paid it.

Oh fudge. I guess I just made your point. LOL.

Supplemental side note: That courthouse is right in the middle of Koreatown, where the Rodney King riots took place. That is all.

 

[MAJOR METAL]

An utterly baffling verdict. Mark Fuhrman's book is an insightful read, check it out.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Here's a semi-related story. I testified as an expert witness on six separate days on a civil case in an L.A. court (6th and Commonwealth). It was a long trial (three weeks or so). The case went to the jury, and they deliberated for three and a half weeks, then came back with a complete defense verdict - no monetary award. When asked when the jury had its mind made up, the jury foreman said, "We were at 98 percent when we entered the deliberation room." When asked why they were out for so long, she said, "Most of us are public servants on full pay and we didn't want to go back to work." At least she was honest.

Anyway, that's the same jury pool that found O.J. not guilty (although this one got it right). I don't think there were any brain surgeons on either jury.

Side note: In the civil case I mentioned, the judge immediately ordered retrials for two of the defendants and entered a judgement against the third, throwing out the jury's verdict (he was an obvious plaintiff's whore from the very start). The plaintiff's attorney told the two defendants, "If you each give me $400,000, I won't retry the case." The defendants' insurance companies paid it.

Oh fudge. I guess I just made your point. LOL.

Supplemental side note: That courthouse is right in the middle of Koreatown, where the Rodney King riots took place. That is all.

That's an interesting story.

 

[Immigrant]

And he and Nicole both were coke heads who ran up a huge bill. Nicole and Goldman were killed by lower-level coke dealers who tried to frame him and failed.

He's still a major scum bag though.

 

[One Drop]

And he and Nicole both were coke heads who ran up a huge bill. Nicole and Goldman were killed by lower-level coke dealers who tried to frame him and failed.

He's still a major scum bag though.

I really really doubt that.

What does a dealer have to gain from murdering a debtor?

It's not like they were rival gang members or dealers who had ripped them off, it just makes no sense.

Never mind the improbability of being able to fake all that evidence, which really was compelling, not to mention OJ's history and behaviour post murder and during the trial.

While I completely understand the motivations of the jury the whole case is a terrible indictment of the legal system, the LAPD, and an illustration of how little confidence people in general have in the system.

 

[Immigrant]

I really really doubt that.

What does a dealer have to gain from murdering a debtor?

It's not like they were rival gang members or dealers who had ripped them off, it just makes no sense.

Never mind the improbability of being able to fake all that evidence, which really was compelling, not to mention OJ's history and behaviour post murder and during the trial.

While I completely understand the motivations of the jury the whole case is a terrible indictment of the legal system, the LAPD, and an illustration of how little confidence people in general have in the system.

They murdered the ex-wife of the real debtor. They both ran up the debt but since she had no way to pay for it other than his alimony, it would make even less sense to kill him instead.

As far as faking the evidence, did they really do a good job?

OJ's behavior; Most cokeheads are unpredictable and impulsive. Combine that with his dumbness, that explains his behavior.

BTW, I know I sound like an idiot (a little more than usual) but I've always insisted he was innocent of the murders and even won $50 while watching the verdict from a former friend. I still think he didn't do the actual killing, but he is still responsible on some level.

 

[One Drop]

They murdered the ex-wife of the real debtor. They both ran up the debt but since she had no way to pay for it other than his alimony, it would make even less sense to kill him instead.

As far as faking the evidence, did they really do a good job?

OJ's behavior; Most cokeheads are unpredictable and impulsive. Combine that with his dumbness, that explains his behavior.

BTW, I know I sound like an idiot (a little more than usual) but I've always insisted he was innocent of the murders and even won $50 while watching the verdict from a former friend. I still think he didn't do the actual killing, but he is still responsible on some level.

Fair enough, I just think Occam's Razor and what we know about OJ and the evidence more likely points to OJ being Guilty As Hell.

 

[MAJOR METAL]

I watched a few of the recent documentaries on youtube, a complete tragedy. The civil suite disposition was most revealing. The look on OJ's face when he is presented with pictures of him wearing the infamous Bruno Magli shoes is priceless, utter fright that he has been caught. Check it out at 25:10

 

[Immigrant]

I watched a few of the recent documentaries on youtube, a complete tragedy. The civil suite disposition was most revealing. The look on OJ's face when he is presented with pictures of him wearing the infamous Bruno Magli shoes is priceless, utter freight that he has been caught. Check it out at 25:10

That's the business that Charlie started but I can't remember what Jane called it.