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Double Bass Old set-up vs. new

Jul 31, 2005
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This is from a presentation I did at Kalamazoo in 05 at the ISB convention. It clears up alot of misconceptions about written fingerings.

In discussing bass fingerings and examining printed material, we must first differentiate between the ‘old bass setup’ and the ‘modern bass setup’.
In the old setup that was used until the mid nineteen fifties to the early sixties, G and D strings were heavy gut. The A and E were also heavy gut wound with silver or aluminum. To accommodate the wider string oscillations and avoid the dreaded “buzz” on the fingerboard, the nut and bridge were cut much higher than today. This lead to the use of certain left hand techniques.
Because of the height and thickness of the strings, a note fingered with all four fingers in a block fingering style was easier on the left hand than just using two fingers. Two were easier than one and an open string was the easiest of all. Another characteristic of the era was keeping your shifting distances to the minimum. The shorter and more efficient, the better.
If you had a choice of playing the passage in the lower positions or the upper positions, the lower was preferable due to the fact that the gut strings had more resistance to the left hand and the bow in the upper positions than the lower ones.
Then came the modern setup. The strings - thin and very responsive in any register - and low action opened the door to so many more options than we had before. Could you just use the same methods and same fingerings on the new setup as you had been using on the old one? Sure - and it was even easier and we did. The same nasty passages were still nasty but suddenly the modern setup offered new solutions to old problems. Namely, the addition of the open hand (or 4 finger) technique and using the thumb below the octave as well as above.
So, many of those old exerpt book fingerings are no longer written in granite although they still work but maybe not the best choice for many players.
Tom Gale
ASODB.com
 
TomGale said:
If you had a choice of playing the passage in the lower positions or the upper positions, the lower was preferable due to the fact that the gut strings had more resistance to the left hand and the bow in the upper positions than the lower ones.
One of my basses has a gut setup and I don't find this statement to be true at all.
 
Mozart 39 (I) = 2 before C (on the D)
1 3 + 1 3 + 3 etc.
C D Bb etc.

The first three notes of the Pulcinella Suite
F G A G F E
+ 1 3 3 1 +

There's another spot in the Young's People Guide starting on the melody G.... F G A G Etc
1 + 1 3 -2 1
 
I thought of 2 more examples that I have used. Did a Pops concert and did John Williams' "The Cowboys" there is a nasty, fast passage starting on D above the staff.
3 groups of four 16th notes each on D followed by a 16th D, a 16th F and an A on the 4th beat. Next measure similiar pattern. Big mess until I pointed out, "try the 1st finger in D (D string) and then the F (+ on the G) and A (2). Clean as a whistle and no shifting.

How about Brahm's 4th (III). Tom Martin in England liked this one.
eighth notes G# (2), F# (1), E (+) (cross to the D) D# (2), C# (1), D# (2), G# (2), F# (1), E (+), D# 4 (g string) etc. down the G in regular closed hand (124 technique).
 
Tom,
Could you give us (me) an example of thumb position below the harmonic used in orchestral literature? I use it often for solo works, but never for orchestral works.

Alex

Mozart 35, last movement, first phrase (BAR 1 OR 2, can't remember), go up to the D with 3rd finger, play the A directly across with 2nd finger, and the f sharp with your THUMB on the d string...shocking i know, works like a dream, it's very fluid.
 
If you had a choice of playing the passage in the lower positions or the upper positions, the lower was preferable due to the fact that the gut strings had more resistance to the left hand and the bow in the upper positions than the lower ones.

Angelina

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If you had a choice of playing the passage in the lower positions or the upper positions, the lower was preferable due to the fact that the gut strings had more resistance to the left hand and the bow in the upper positions than the lower ones.

Angelina

Sorry it took so long to get back to this. That was very true - esp. using the heavy gut wound with metal on the A & E. Playing up in the higher positions was very difficult, if not painful. Then it all changed with the new strings - very thin and responsive. The 'good ol' days' were not that good.
Tom Gale
ASODB.com
 
Keeping all this in mind, the old excerpt books, method books, etc. are not wrong - its just with the new setups, you have more choices in achieving the musical goal for which we all strive. Its all for that.
Tom Gale
ASODB.com