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One IEM per person

Apr 13, 2010
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I'm doing sound for a gig tomorrow, but it seems that the FOH may be lacking. The only other things we have available at short notice and low cost (there is no payment) are the monitors. The venue is relatively small so with the existing FOH and the monitors it should hopefully be sufficient. This means no monitors except there are some borrowed IEMs available, but not enough for one in each ear for the whole band, just one each. Are there any hints on making this not entirely ideal set up work other than crying into my beer (and I don't like beer and don't drink around electronics anyway).

Many thanks
 
No pay... Work with what's there and don't lose any sleep over it. It's not your responsibility to save the day when the venue doesn't care enough to provide sufficient PA.

Unless it's your band.

In which case, use the monitors that are there for a general stage wash, and give the IEM's to the members that sing, they're the ones who need them the most.
 
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No pay... Work with what's there and don't lose any sleep over it. It's not your responsibility to save the day when the venue doesn't care enough to provide sufficient PA.

It's not somewhere that normally does anything loud, so it's not really its fault in that sense.

and give the IEM's to the members that sing, they're the ones who need them the most.

It's all instrumental, but there is a backing track.
 
Maybe I am working on the misapprehension that they come as individual units rather than pairs wired together? I realise I was being very dumb. I do have an unit that can send a signal to a pair of earphones which could have made a 4th pair, if it worked and I knew where it was.

Ah well...
 
forget it.

IEMs in one ear in is a recipe for hearing loss.

even if it's actually a set for each player, if they don't each have their own mix it'll be intolerable.

finally, sticking someone else's earbuds into your ears is nasty, i'm surprised anybody would even offer that.
 
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I've yet to see IEMs, or much of any headphone that were not paired up, making the shared bud idea pretty impractical.

Even then, re-read Walter's post and heed it. Please.

I was well aware that there would be serious issues. It would have been desperate measures due to nothing else being available in the time scale.

Not knowing much about IEMs (I've never used them before, and the expense means that I only know one person who does) I was a bit dumb about their operation so feel like a bit of a fool. They would be a good option for the group, as a long term option, though, so I appreciate the feedback (no pun intended).

In the end the front of house was just loud enough with a dollop of compression on the backing tracks allowing me to bring the sustained level up a bit, so the standard floor monitors could be used for foldback, gig was successful, excellent reviews by the audience, so maybe I was panicking a bit.
 
I know your gig is done, but out of curiousity . . . they were using backing tracks but no click?? I assume putting click through wedges would be pretty intolerable for an audience.

I did an (original) band for a while with tracks and only the drummer got the click, the rest of us got the tracks with no click.
I just did a gig last month with a soundguy who'd never mixed for IEM's before. His usual board was in the shop and he was using his backup. it was pretty awful and eight songs or so in I had to bail and take them out. better to wait for the situation to be perfect before you dive in to the IEM world. For the performers, I think it takes awhile to get used to them. I wouldn't want to be mixing sound for somebody their first time!
 
The backing tracks are primarily rhythmic, but I have suggested providing a specific monitor mix which has the rhythmic elements mixed higher, but not an outright click track. I don't have the individual elements for that, so I've suggested as a compromise strongly EQing the monitor mix to emphasise the most required elements. That will be what we'll do for next month's performance.

It's a learning experience for me as to what they need as whilst I've done mixing for live performance before, I haven't mixed for anyone with a click track. I did once use a click track (well, full drum machine) on a few occasions, but the on-stage volume was low in those instances whereas at the weekend the on stage volume, due to a number of loud acoustic instruments, very loud.

The PA had only green 'good signal' lights and red clip lights, but with the PA solidly in the green and never in the red I could just balance the acoustic instruments, although I need to revisit the gain structures a bit. Using slightly soiled IEMs at short notice (they could have used other ear pieces I guess) was based on my misunderstanding of what was on offer (i.e. not enough for the whole band) and panic in case the FOH wasn't enough.

I think IEMs would be a good choice in the sense that there is a level of ambient sound reduction going on (normally they wear earplugs anyway) so it means that monitoring of the things that do need onstage amplification in addition to the backing tracks won't be fighting against high onstage monitoring volume. However, there's a fair cost involved for an amateur group, and I am not sure how they'd hide the IEMs and not compromise the look of, or foul in, the fairly elaborate costumes.

I wasn't totally happy with the light show/video projection/audio production in the end even though the audience seemed to love it. But I have a month to fix issues.
 
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