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Online Criticism

48thStreetCustom

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This is for anyone whose put art on the social media (music, art, literature, etc). Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Youtube... Places where people can leave comments.

How do you deal with criticism? How do you keep it in perspective.

I've seen videos with innocent little 14yo girls talking about makeup or whatever, and the comments bellow are brutal. Just vial hate. I listen to a lot of comedy podcast and guys like Joe Rogan just flat-out don't read comments.

So what do you guys do when your work gets criticized on social media by anonymous people?
 
Well, is it constructive criticism or just "you suck" type stuff? I'd ignore the latter. And if constructive, consider the source. Anonymous? Ignore. Criticism from a known artist you respect? Worth thinking about. Unfortunately there tend to be more "you suck" people than credible artists giving honest and potentially helpful feedback. Thick skin or bail.

So if someone doesn't have a thick skin, they shouldn't put art into the world? That doesn't seem very good for culture. I wonder how many young introverted/insecure artists have had their growth stunted by anonymous jackwads on social media.
 
Anonymous opinions are just a part of the internet, for better or worse. Much like drinking alcohol, some people have a higher tolerance for it than others and some shouldn't drink at all.

I think most people can recognize good faith criticism from trolling, but if you can't I'd just avoid reading comments altogether. Some platforms like YouTube allow you to disable comments.
 
So if someone doesn't have a thick skin, they shouldn't put art into the world?
yes, you got it! it's a part of becoming an artist: some will like what you do and some won't. your patrons are generally among those that appreciate what you do. in history = it has never been different. those that can't handle the heat should get out of the kitchen. ;)
So what do you guys do when your work gets criticized on social media by anonymous people?
ignore it! ...can't please all of the people all of the time --- and besides: i'm looking for the there's-a-sucker-born-every-minute crowd! :laugh:
 
Just understand that what you find to be good art, others may not. Unfortunately, some "others" like to make that point very clear. Still, their opinion, even if it runs counter to yours, is correct for them. Depending on the volume of responses, I'd thank the good reviews and the bad. The process of being positive to those "others" is cathartic :)
 
So if someone doesn't have a thick skin, they shouldn't put art into the world? That doesn't seem very good for culture. I wonder how many young introverted/insecure artists have had their growth stunted by anonymous jackwads on social media.

Well, if putting your art online causes you more pain than pleasure, I would say don't. That said, if there are 99 worthless comments and 1 helpful comment (might be generous odds) and this helps you, I say go for it. Maybe thick skin isn't the best term. Selective? Either way, I don't know how healthy it is to rely on those mediums for validation.
 
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yes, you got it! it's a part of becoming an artist: some will like what you do and some won't. your patrons are generally among those that appreciate what you do. in history = it has never been different. those that can't handle the heat should get out of the kitchen. ;)

JD Salinger stopped putting out books because hr couldn't handle the heat. He kept writing and put everything in a safe but he was done with the public.
 
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I used to do local rock show reviews with an anonymous name and it’s really hard to do. As you might imagine, not everything that local original bands do is particularly good. Some are just awful. I wrote long reviews that tried to contextualize the whole night. I went out of my way to highlight the good and had a lot of positive press but only if it was warranted. As a musician I HATED getting petty praise yet we all knew we weren’t good (and the tiny crowds proved it). If a band was insufferable I said so, but tactfully and with evidence. The counter criticism I got was through the roof. Angry angry comments. I just stopped doing it.

as hard as it is to get a negative review, it’s even harder to actually listen to the criticism and change. I’ve only learned to do that in the second half of my musical life. Wish I had learned sooner.
 
Lack of a thick skin is why JD Salinger stopped putting out books. He kept writing and put everything in a safe. But he was done with the public.

Perfect example. I thought "Catcher In The Rye" was boring garbage, BUT I am not a huge reader, and what I do like is nonfiction. It's just my opinion, and my opinion is for sure less informed than an English or Literature major. Salinger ceasing to write never affected my life, but for his fans I'm sure it was disappointing. Also, "boring garbage" is much more civil than a LOT of online comments.
 
Lack of a thick skin is why JD Salinger stopped putting out books. He kept writing and put everything in a safe. But he was done with the public.
i get it. and the little, fragile artist in me understands, too. but when it's all said and done: you still take a bow --- even when there is no applause! it's show business!

if you've had something unfairly/harshly criticized, or made fun of, or bashed = keep going...what are the other options? even in your salinger example --- he didn't quit, he just changed his relationship with his public.

IME: not everything we create and/or toil over is worthy of high praise, but if someone listens to it = it's a win!
 
i get it. and the little, fragile artist in me understands, too. but when it's all said and done: you still take a bow --- even when there is no applause! it's show business!

if you've had something unfairly/harshly criticized, or made fun of, or bashed = keep going...what are the other options? even in your salinger example --- he didn't quit, he just changed his relationship with his public.

IME: not everything we create and/or toil over is worthy of high praise, but if someone listens to it = it's a win!

Well, I think you do have another option. You can do the work and not put it out.

But that's not what my question was. I was asking about dealing with criticism and putting it into perspective. I don't think Salinger put it in perspective.
 
So in 2001 I played in a not so great but not absolutely terrible band called Icelandic (terrible name, though....). We put out a CD and sent them off to all these online sites for reviews. We got one right after another that were short paragraph positive reviews. More or less a sentence about the album after describing the band and location, genre, etc. Then this came. Boom:


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Icelandic – The Young Mr. Palomar :
Icelandic

The Young Mr. Palomar

Here’s something you haven’t ever heard before: three friends (who curiously play bass, guitar and drums) start a small, earnest, punk band and release a CD. Call up “Behind the Music!” Surely this has never happened before! Where the hell lis John Norris when you really need him? To make things even more remarkable, the musicianship and songwriting is of average quality, and the production is appropriately sub- par. But truth be told, no matter how many times its been done before, there is a certain charm and appeal to the classic power-pop trio. For all the arty music out there, sometimes three people, four power chords, and some strained vocal cords do the trick.

To be absolutely fair, the Icelandic’s songwriting isn’t all that bad, although some of the better songs are occasionally hidden by pedestrian singing and shoddy production. Though those lo-fi hallmarks are occasionally a hindrance, they are also occasionally a blessing. For instance, on “Big Star!” Icelandic come out sounding like Pavement’s stupid younger brother, complete with “La La’s” and everything. On “Scanning the Crowd,” lead singer Chuck XXXXXXXX contemplates his own shortcomings: “am I half-right, or am I so wrong?” “Coffee & Tea,” the album’s opener, kicks things off with disjointed blasts of bass and percussion and a kick-ass chorus melody that showcases some of the band’s songwriting skills. During their best moments (like the two aforementioned songs), the band sound much like a Superchunk in theirheyday (No Pocky for Kitty).

The band does occasionally fall into some pretty annoying punk cliches. They manage to pull the now- obligatory acoustic number with “The Alleged Mercedes,” a boring, plodding “kiss me” song that would have been best left on the four-track. The guitar riffs occasionally sound dry and uninspired (such as on “The Bottle”), and while I wasn’t expecting Van Halen, some variety would have been nice. XXXXXX (singer) more than occasionally overextends his voice, and while he can occasionally get away with it, a certain amount of cringing still occurs.

Those, however, are minor complaints when you consider that Icelandic are a pretty decent band. They do a much more bearable Superchunk impersonation than the overpolished Get Up Kids, because intentionally or not, Icelandic have captured their lo-fi, garage-band appeal much better than most bands do. The songwriting isn’t spectacular, but it’s sort of like Pavement in that you don’t always know you’ve heard something truly catchy until you can’t get it out of your head three hours later. It’s unlikely that this ragtag trio from New Mexico will ever release a noteworthy album full of ingenious songwriting and unforgettable hooks. But they still give a damn, and they probably pot on a helluva live show. Sometimes that’s more than enough.

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As the singer and the principal songwriter, yeah, it hurt but it's obvious they actually listened to the recording. More than once, closely. I learned more about myself as a musician and songwriter from this one review than all the other press we got combined plus some. I'm appreciative but it stung for a long time. We played SXSW that year supporting this album, but I knew right then that I had to get better. I think I have.
 
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This is for anyone whose put art on the social media (music, art, literature, etc). Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Youtube... Places where people can leave comments.

How do you deal with criticism? How do you keep it in perspective.

I've seen videos with innocent little 14yo girls talking about makeup or whatever, and the comments bellow are brutal. Just vial hate. I listen to a lot of comedy podcast and guys like Joe Rogan just flat-out don't read comments.

So what do you guys do when your work gets criticized on social media by anonymous people?

To go back to the OP, I think today's YouTube style "comment" is not the same as from a site or "press" of yesteryear. If you're a small or emerging artist just looking to get some feedback, recognition, or getting your name out, I'd read things with a bit of filter. Maybe someone is going to give you good, constructive feedback but the odds are small. Lots of "this is great!" might stroke the ego a little but the tastemasters of publications and even "influencers" still matter way more than the opinion of anonymous regular people commenting.

If I were an established artist, I wouldn't read the press at all. I don't see any good coming out of it. There's nothing that the press can tell me that the producers I work with don't know already. When you're established, you literally pay people you trust to give you the feedback and help you might need.
 
I remember my keyboard player/producer being so upset by the comments written by a Celebrity reviewing one of our albums.

I didn't care ,as his music was nothing like ours and I didn't think him that great...the artist is now deceased ,tragically young.

But we got consistently rave reviews and one negative devastated him.

Oh well.
 

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