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Orange Terror Bass 500 hiss

I have a latest generation Orange Terror Bass 500 head. It was second hand and I have no idea how old it is.

I noticed yesterday there is a little hiss even at low volume, which I am sure wasn't there before and also the gain seems a less drive-y than previously.

Is that the ECC83 preamp valve needing replacement? Is the ECC81 in the signal path or does it solely drive the FX loop?

Thanks
 
I have a latest generation Orange Terror Bass 500 head. It was second hand and I have no idea how old it is.

I noticed yesterday there is a little hiss even at low volume, which I am sure wasn't there before and also the gain seems a less drive-y than previously.

Is that the ECC83 preamp valve needing replacement? Is the ECC81 in the signal path or does it solely drive the FX loop?

Thanks


AFAIK it could be either tube, or something totally different.


I don't have the schematic for the Mk2. But, AFAIK the signal path is pretty similar to the Mk1...I could be wrong.

In the Mk1 here is the signal path:

Input Network->V1a->Gain->V1b->Tone Stack->V2a->​

At this point the signal is split into two paths. One path does to the DI and leaves the amp.

The second path is:

Effects Loop->Master->V2b->Output to Power Amp->Speaker​

So as you see, there is not a dedicated tube stage for the DI.

Path from Input to DI Out:

Input Network->V1a->Gain->V1b->Tone Stack->V2a->DI->​

Path from Input to DI Power Amp:

Input Network->V1a->Gain->V1b->Tone Stack->V2a->Effects Loop->Master->V2b->Output to Power Amp->Speaker​

The part in underline italics is the same from both paths.
 
Am I reading this correctly? The effects loop is after the DI? What is the point of that?


I can confirm the Mk1 effects loop is essentially after the DI. The signal is split, one side goes to the DI, and the other side goes to the Send. My guess is the Mk2 is the same, but I can't confirm it.

As far as, "what it is the point." This configuration is not all that unusual. Whether it's good or bad depends on what type of effects you want to run in the loop and what your goals are.

Generally an effects loop runs at line level, so effect pedals are not really suitable because they run at instrument level. The loop is intended for rack effects that operate at line level. So you might run an EQ, compressor, or maybe even a high-end reverb or delay.

With this particular configuration, the effects in the loop will only go to your speaker and not the DI. To me this make perfect sense under many situations. As an audio tech, I don't want to have to reverse engineer all of the processing your are using to get your stage sound, and most of the time reverb and delay should not be used as sweetener on bass.

IMHO signals should be processed separately for different locations and different purposes. The acoustics on stage and in the house are different, so different EQ is required. Your monitoring needs on stage do not precisely match what is required to get your bass to sit properly in the house mix. So different EQ and different amounts of compression are typically required for optimum results at both locations.

In the event it is necessary and appropriate to capture these effects on the DI, you will need to place them before the amp. If this is not suitable, then buy a different amp. There are plenty to choose from.
 
I have a latest generation Orange Terror Bass 500 head. It was second hand and I have no idea how old it is.

I noticed yesterday there is a little hiss even at low volume, which I am sure wasn't there before and also the gain seems a less drive-y than previously.

Is that the ECC83 preamp valve needing replacement? Is the ECC81 in the signal path or does it solely drive the FX loop?

Thanks
What ever happened with the Hiss problem?