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Ordered a Mesa WD-800 before my Orange OB1-500 was delivered...

When I was looking at the Orange 4 Stroke, I had a few people on here recommend the Terror Bass. Like you I was not a fan of the form factor, but I ended up getting both and they were right, the Terror Bass is pretty awesome.

The lunch box design in pictures kind of looked like a toy to me, but once I got it in my hands I actually started to like it a lot. Very sturdy with just the right amount of weight to it. And it also seems that all of the Orange amps have this weight and thickness to the notes that many other amps lack. The D and G strings will not get lost in a mix with these amps.

I never played an OB1 since it really didn't attract my attention as much as the 4 Stroke and Terror Bass. But I can picture the heft in the notes that you are talking about. It is definitely present in the 2 that I have.

I also have a Mesa TT800 and that is a totally different type of animal, so I would imagine the WD800 is as well. More of a bloomy 3 dimensional sound with a beautiful top end. The Damping Factor on the WD will let you switch it up and find which one you like better.

Some will gravitate more to the Mesa while others will to the Orange. Me, I like them both for what they are able to give me. I'll be looking out to see what your thoughts are on both amps after you a/b them.

Not surprised about the Orange. My first experience I remember was sitting in a decent size bar watching a Kiss band (for some reason) and the Gene Simmons guy was playing through a big Orange rig. His notes were hitting me in the chest and I was a good 50-60 feet back. He was a really good player though so that plays into it. That being said you could likely replicate it pretty close with the WD-800 because of it's extensive EQ section. Just gotta twist them knobs and find it.
The WD-800 is still on track to be delivered tomorrow, so I've cleared my day to do a good comparison session. The Orange tone isn't one I thought I'd EQ for myself, but the tightness and heft of the notes transform it into something else. Being able to pick out every single note is quite the joy. I usually go for more of a rich low mid grindy tone with definition.

If I can EQ the same note heft on the WD-800, then that will likely be the winner. If/when I try another Orange, it will probably be the Little Bass Thing. I'll admit, I've been spoiled by class D amps and at least size can be an excuse for it not having a lot of features, ha!

Having 2 ohm capabilities in your back pocket is quite a freedom, though...
 
The WD-800 is still on track to be delivered tomorrow, so I've cleared my day to do a good comparison session. The Orange tone isn't one I thought I'd EQ for myself, but the tightness and heft of the notes transform it into something else. Being able to pick out every single note is quite the joy. I usually go for more of a rich low mid grindy tone with definition.

If I can EQ the same note heft on the WD-800, then that will likely be the winner. If/when I try another Orange, it will probably be the Little Bass Thing. I'll admit, I've been spoiled by class D amps and at least size can be an excuse for it not having a lot of features, ha!

Having 2 ohm capabilities in your back pocket is quite a freedom, though...
"I usually go for more of a rich low mid grindy tone with definition." Same for me. I found it on my old Carvin BX-1200 by turning the Low Mid Freq knob to the left (10:00) and boosting that frequency with the Low Mid Level knob to around 2:00. Then I boosted DRIVE to noon. Amp came to life. It was a learning experience because before that amp I never had an amp with a semi-parametric EQ, so turning a knob to the left to get MORE was strange.
 
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The WD-800 is still on track to be delivered tomorrow, so I've cleared my day to do a good comparison session. The Orange tone isn't one I thought I'd EQ for myself, but the tightness and heft of the notes transform it into something else. Being able to pick out every single note is quite the joy. I usually go for more of a rich low mid grindy tone with definition.

If I can EQ the same note heft on the WD-800, then that will likely be the winner. If/when I try another Orange, it will probably be the Little Bass Thing. I'll admit, I've been spoiled by class D amps and at least size can be an excuse for it not having a lot of features, ha!

Having 2 ohm capabilities in your back pocket is quite a freedom, though...
Where the Orange tone really stands out is in a band mix. That thickness and heft keep you from getting lost in the mix IMHO. However I also really like my Mesa TT800 and there are a lot of people who will vouch for the WD800. So no matter what direction you go in, you should be a pretty happy camper. Pretty hard to go wrong here.
 
As a recent convert to Mesa (TT, D800+ and most recently WD800) I'm a huge fan. I've an Orange LBT, and an AD140B. I love all, but the WD800 is what's sitting behind me right now in my practice room. It's an amazing amp. I absolutely love the Tube Grind and Punch setting that's in the Mesa manual.
That setting is the first I was going to try for sure.

Since you have both the WD-800 and LBT, how would you compare the note heft between them?
 
My .02: I used to think my Walkabout was the be all/end all in bass tone for me.....but my WD800 exceeds it in all respects. I procured a 2nd WD800 (for a 2nd location) and my amp GAS has 100% dissipated. The front end is intuitive, powerful and extremely versatile. Through a fairly neutral cab it can go from surgically slamming' clean/ fast to the deepest, warmest, chocolate embrace with nary a few twists/toggles. I must confess I am not a fan of present day Orange gear in general (apart from its' aesthetic and heritage, both of which I love), but I can't imaging not being able to find whatever tone floats your boat in a WD800.
 
That setting is the first I was going to try for sure.

Since you have both the WD-800 and LBT, how would you compare the note heft between them?
I would characterize the WD as having more depth, punch, and clarity. Not that the LBT does not do any of this. I just think the WD is better. I'm not one for a lot of options, so the amount of knobs and switches on the Boogie stuff was intimidating to me at first. But it is all well designed and enables you to really dial in your sound. I love how it sits in the mix in my 3 piece band. I'm a big pedal geek, and after getting my Boogie heads, have found I've been purging a lot of pedals. I don't need a compressor with these amps.

You're not going to go wrong with either brand. imho. Both are thoughtfully designed and very well made. The difference in price point probably accounts for some of the differences re: features. But, that's a guess as a consumer, not as someone in the know. Some folks have fussed over the quirky volume thing on the LBT. It's not a smooth pot, but rather has detents, so it increases in increments. I only thought about it while playing at home. With a band never gave it a second thought.

Oh, you likely know this - you need a speakon cable. The Boogie won't take a 1/4" for input. I'm running it through an Ampeg SVT212 cab. Currently awaiting my SW preorder of a Subway 1x12 and a Subway 1x15.
 
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I would characterize the WD as having more depth, punch, and clarity. Not that the LBT does not do any of this. I just think the WD is better. I'm not one for a lot of options, so the amount of knobs and switches on the Boogie stuff was intimidating to me at first. But it is all well designed and enables you to really dial in your sound. I love how it sits in the mix in my 3 piece band. I'm a big pedal geek, and after getting my Boogie heads, have found I've been purging a lot of pedals. I don't need a compressor with these amps.

You're not going to go wrong with either brand. imho. Both are thoughtfully designed and very well made. The difference in price point probably accounts for some of the differences re: features. But, that's a guess as a consumer, not as someone in the know. Some folks have fussed over the quirky volume thing on the LBT. It's not a smooth pot, but rather has detents, so it increases in increments. I only thought about it while playing at home. With a band never gave it a second thought.

Oh, you likely know this - you need a speakon cable. The Boogie won't take a 1/4" for input. I'm running it through an Ampeg SVT212 cab. Currently awaiting my SW preorder of a Subway 1x12 and a Subway 1x15.

Thank you for the insight, it's very helpful! I've been finding myself in the same position regarding pedals, so that's nice to hear.

The Quilter BB800 I have has notched knobs as well, so I agree it's not ideal but it can be worked around.
I picked up speakon to 1/4" adapters since the Orange is speakon only as well, so all set there.

I'm trying to keep an objective viewpoint, but the hype is building and the delivery person can't come fast enough!
 
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So I spent a lot of time comparing and playing the WD-800 that came in yesterday - I'll try and be as objective as possible with my thoughts.

When I first plugged into the Mesa, I had to tame it a bit right away. I play an Ibanez EHB 1005SMS that has a maple fret board, stainless steel frets, and Aguilar DCB pickups - it's a very clear and bright/mid strong bass. On top of that I use S.I.T. Rock Bright nickel strings with a pick. For anyone else looking at the WD-800, if you have a bright instrument it's going to shine through right away. Dialing in the "Tube Grind & Punch" setting from the manual helped a lot, and I used that as a base to build off of.

I'll say right up front that the OB1-500 is going back. This is not to say that I don't like the tone, quite the opposite. When going back and forth I'd always think "Damn! This rocks!" when playing the Orange...but ultimately that's what I realized as well. It felt like I was playing the amp and not my bass. I meant to try another bass through it, but I have a feeling (I could be wrong) that it would sound similar. It was also a very narrow spectrum of the amp that I was playing, so it's just not worth it money wise. At this point, I think the Orange tone is one I'd maybe want in a pedal instead.

With the WD-800, there is a bit of Mesa flavor (my first time playing one so I think I'm identifying it correctly), but it truly felt like my bass coming through. I wouldn't call it completely transparent, but I would say that you could easily EQ it to be a more hi-fi amp. This amp definitely brought a smile to my face numerous times as I searched through the dials, but it's not like I plugged in and fell over.

Tone wise, is it better than my Peavey MiniMax? Yes, the Peavey probably gets about 75-80% of the way there (and would be an excellent cheaper backup amp IMO), but its the details that the Mesa adds that make it the clear winner. Now, would an audience be able to tell the difference? Depends on the music you are playing, so maybe, maybe not. Another musician? I would think so. The Peavey is a pretty clean amp but does have some baked in mids, which give it a tiny bit of that "playing the amp" feel but not anywhere near the Orange level.

Playing through the WD-800 has a unique feeling of gluing together all the components of your setup. A very "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" sort of feeling. Another thing that really caught my attention with the Mesa is the presence of all the harmonics (I think that's the word I want to use) the strings generate when normally struck really coming through. It wasn't harsh and helped give it an open/airy and "live" feeling.

While there are a lot of knobs, they do make sense and once you start to understand their interplay it's a very well thought out setup. For example, if you want the gain all the way up to O/D, switch the damping to med or high to compensate and vice versa. Each EQ knob really compliments and meshes well with the others - boosting or cutting can make a big difference, but you never feels like you are running into a wall from one frequency to the next.

Here is what I am running right now for solo practice:
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For playing along to music/in the mix, I dial back the input to tighten up the B string. Even if I kept the input all the way up and was a bit loose/lost in the mix, the bass presence was always there and it made a huge difference whether I was playing or not. This was one of those things that made me smile - on other amps, if you get lost in the mix, you might as well not be playing.

Now, is the WD-800 worth the $600 or so more than the Peavey MiniMax? For me, yes. If you go down the line and compare the stats, the WD-800 would get the nod on every single line. The only thing the Peavey would win on is having a built in chromatic tuner. That said, I recognize that I am extremely fortunate to be able to afford an amp like this, and others shouldn't feel like they can't get a good tone without one either.

The one thing I still need to work out is getting a bit more crunch/grunt in the low mids/keeping the B string tight all the time. I guess part of the Mesa sound is sort of a soft warm pleasing background tone throughout, which sounds great, but I do feel that I need to work around it a little bit. I'll probably need to play around some more with the HPF and bass knobs, but any pointers would be appreciated. Also, with the tube-pre is there an amount of time it takes to hit "peak tone"? I've heard with all tube amps that they don't sound the best until they warm up all the way - is this the same here?

I think this is the start of a very good relationship! Now excuse me while I go sell a bunch of stuff I won't be using anymore.
 
Heft and punch comment for the wd?
I did leave that out didn't I! It definitely has heft and punch but different from the OB1-500. The Orange is very tight and has that mids punch throughout. The heft is very focused. A very tight B string as well.

The WD-800 can be EQ'd to be super focused/punchy but I wouldn't say that's its natural voice. I get plenty of definition and punch, but so much more of an all encompassing tonal spectrum with each note.

If the Orange is like getting punched squarely in the chest, then the Mesa is like getting walloped with a sack full of...oranges. Heft more focused vs heft more all encompassing.

If focused heft and punch are the absolute #1 priority and tone and flexibility come after, I'd go with an Orange.
 
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One thing I'll say about Orange, is I am currently using the AD200B and the Orange more than anything else I've ever played (except maybe vintage Acoustic gear) seems dependent on having an Orange cabinet. I only played the OB1 through very efficient 2x12 cabs that stay very clean. I played the Orange through them and it was meh. Good, but not great (better than the OB1). But, put the AD200 with a pair of OBC115's, and holy crap!! I have no idea if the OB1 is similar. I also heard in some reviews, it shines with a P bass more than other basses. Just a couple extra cents.
I’ve been playing an AD200BMKIII with a 2x12 made by 440 Live and it has been sounding great.

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