Our god is not Jaco or any other hotshots

[Phaidrus]

I have met counterexamples.

They were probably guitarists pretending to be bass players.

 

[Lance Bunyon]

I’m not a tinfoil hat wearer by any stretch. Still, it’s enough to make you start wondering about some of those conspiracy theories you hear about the suppression of Tesla and his works.

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What theory?
Tesla claimed to have access to free electricity that he could pull directly from the atmosphere. People who profited from selling generated electricity had their livelihoods threatened.
Strangely, no evidence of Teslas research survived the fire.

 

[fig]

I stood in front of the statue in his home town of Como, Italy this morning.

How long are you gonna be in Italy?

I was stationed in Sicily for 3 years. Had to drive thru Italy to get into Switzerland and surrounding countries when I'd get some leave time. Have driven thru Como, don't remember if we stopped there or just drove thru (early '80's). On our way back down to Sicily, we'd branch off on a different route after we exited the Gotthard Road Tunnel (10 mile tunnel under Swiss Alps, about 60 miles from Como).

Thanks for the memory jog. More importantly, I hope you're enjoying yourself a hella lot!

If you have time, you could head SE about 40 miles and visit TB member @Kijuer in Trescore Tremasco.

 

[40Hz]

What theory?
Tesla claimed to have access to free electricity that he could pull directly from the atmosphere. People who profited from selling generated electricity had their livelihoods threatened.
Strangely, no evidence of Teslas research survived the fire.

Yes. He claimed to have.

The whole problem with that argument is that it depends on accepting (without proof) that Tesla’s claim was true; and accepting (again without proof) that some party or parties unknown actually felt threatened enough (an assumption and an assertion) to resort to violence (an allegation) in response.

So…

• Claims are not evidence.
• Assertions are not evidence.
• Innuendos are not evidence.
• Feelings are not evidence.
• Suspicions are not evidence.
• Assumptions are not evidence.
• “Common sense” is not evidence.

Unsworn testimony, or testimony in the absence of concrete verifiable supporting evidence, is hearsay.

The whole problem with alleging there’s a conspiracy is that it “explains” so much without offering any real proof of anything.

Does that mean it didn’t happen? No. Because you can’t logically ever prove a negative nor should you need to. The burden of proof falls squarely on the shoulders of the party making the claim. A claim can, however, be disproven by identifying: insufficient or absence of evidence, faulty reasoning, and/or the presence of logical fallacies.

“And so castles made of sand, fall into the sea, eventually.” as the Jimi Hendrix song put it.

Here’s a thought…

If Tesla did develop a practical way to harvest electrical energy from the friction of the atmosphere against the earth as it rotates, why would that energy be considered “free.” Or that it would be provided free to its consumers. It would still require the building and maintenance of the harvesting plants. And transmission lines to end users. All that would require a massive amount of investment capital to roll it out on a large scale. There’s also energy lost through transmission. And since none of that is free, those costs would need to be recouped from the consumers.

Nor would it necessarily be cheaper for the consumers. Companies are under no legal obligation to pass their savings on to the customer. Tesla could have just undercut Edison and Westinghouse by a small percentage to be competitive and let it go at that.

Or in areas that hadn’t yet gotten electrified, Tesla’s company could have charged as much as its board of directors wanted subject to market demand.

Sad thing is Tesla didn’t pay much attention to the issue of energy storage. We already know how to generate significant amounts of power in any one of a dozen different ways. And a significant portion of it goes to waste in the process of transmitting it.

Truth is, our big problem is we still don’t have good way to store electrical power on a large scale. Sure, we’ve made major advances in battery and super capacitor technology. But it still isn’t enough for anything other than personal electronic devices, appliances, hand tools, and some cars. Had Tesla come up with a way to store electrical energy on a large scale (we’re talking megawatts) that discovery would have become far more than the scientific curiosities a lot of his inventions are. It would have been a gamechanger.

 

[Thegreatzambini]

What?

 

[BassAndCigars]

I like passive basses and don't use any pedals at the moment anyway.
So my heroes remain:
Jaco, Rocco, Marcus Miller, Verdine White and a few others.

 

[SteveCS]

It is Allessandro Volta. (As in volts. Get it?) I stood in front of the statue in his home town of Como, Italy this morning.
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He is holding in his right hand the first battery. No Allesandro, no Leo Fender! (No stomp boxes, either!)

If you are around that part of the world, not too far from Como, in Salo on the banks of Lake Garda, you will find a statue of Gasparo Bertolotti (Da Salo), who, aside from being one of the earliest violin makes was also a top-notch bass player.. This from when we were there in 2015...

 

[Lance Bunyon]

Yes. He claimed to have.

The whole problem with that argument is that it depends on accepting (without proof) that Tesla’s claim was true; and accepting (again without proof) that some party or parties unknown actually felt threatened enough (an assumption and an assertion) to resort to violence (an allegation) in response.

So…

• Claims are not evidence.
• Assertions are not evidence.
• Innuendos are not evidence.
• Feelings are not evidence.
• Suspicions are not evidence.
• Assumptions are not evidence.
• “Common sense” is not evidence.

Unsworn testimony, or testimony in the absence of concrete verifiable supporting evidence, is hearsay.

The whole problem with alleging there’s a conspiracy is that it “explains” so much without offering any real proof of anything.

Does that mean it didn’t happen? No. Because you can’t logically ever prove a negative nor should you need to. The burden of proof falls squarely on the shoulders of the party making the claim. A claim can, however, be disproven by identifying: insufficient or absence of evidence, faulty reasoning, and/or the presence of logical fallacies.

“And so castles made of sand, fall into the sea, eventually.” as the Jimi Hendrix song put it.

Here’s a thought…

If Tesla did develop a practical way to harvest electrical energy from the friction of the atmosphere against the earth as it rotates, why would that energy be considered “free.” Or that it would be provided free to its consumers. It would still require the building and maintenance of the harvesting plants. And transmission lines to end users. All that would require a massive amount of investment capital to roll it out on a large scale. There’s also energy lost through transmission. And since none of that is free, those costs would need to be recouped from the consumers.

Nor would it necessarily be cheaper for the consumers. Companies are under no legal obligation to pass their savings on to the customer. Tesla could have just undercut Edison and Westinghouse by a small percentage to be competitive and let it go at that.

Or in areas that hadn’t yet gotten electrified, Tesla’s company could have charged as much as its board of directors wanted subject to market demand.

Sad thing is Tesla didn’t pay much attention to the issue of energy storage. We already know how to generate significant amounts of power in any one of a dozen different ways. And a significant portion of it goes to waste in the process of transmitting it.

Truth is, our big problem is we still don’t have good way to store electrical power on a large scale. Sure, we’ve made major advances in battery and super capacitor technology. But it still isn’t enough for anything other than personal electronic devices, appliances, hand tools, and some cars. Had Tesla come up with a way to store electrical energy on a large scale (we’re talking megawatts) that discovery would have become far more than the scientific curiosities a lot of his inventions are. It would have been a gamechanger.

Did I ever say free to consumer? Thought not.
However a kilowatt of energy harvested from the atmosphere from Tesla equipment vs. a kilowatt of energy harvested from a liter of oil is a seriously different paradigm.
You keep throwing the word conspiracy around, why? Edison and Westinghouse and their ilk needed actual fuel, Tesla claimed he did not. The electricity powerhouses (pun intended) saw their business model threatened. What if I had intellectual property which moved cars around without petrol electricity or hydrogen cells? A lot of parties would be nervous.
I never came out and said that the godfathers of electric power offed Tesla, just that they had massive motive to do so.
Tesla was threatening to upset the applecart, fact.
No conspiracies present, just lots of motive.

 

[ravelax]

It's going to take a heck of a big control cavity to hold that battery.

But if you manage to get it into a bass, you'll never need to worry about neck dive again!

 

[Geogio]

In my neck of the woods it is pronounced "bat-trah"

 

[Slevage]

It is Allessandro Volta. (As in volts. Get it?) I stood in front of the statue in his home town of Como, Italy this morning.
View attachment 5471021
He is holding in his right hand the first battery. No Allesandro, no Leo Fender! (No stomp boxes, either!)

This belongs on the DB side
in the humor section.

 

[gln1955]

Yes. He claimed to have.

The whole problem with that argument is that it depends on accepting (without proof) that Tesla’s claim was true; and accepting (again without proof) that some party or parties unknown actually felt threatened enough (an assumption and an assertion) to resort to violence (an allegation) in response.

So…

• Claims are not evidence.
• Assertions are not evidence.
• Innuendos are not evidence.
• Feelings are not evidence.
• Suspicions are not evidence.
• Assumptions are not evidence.
• “Common sense” is not evidence.

Unsworn testimony, or testimony in the absence of concrete verifiable supporting evidence, is hearsay.

The whole problem with alleging there’s a conspiracy is that it “explains” so much without offering any real proof of anything.

Does that mean it didn’t happen? No. Because you can’t logically ever prove a negative nor should you need to. The burden of proof falls squarely on the shoulders of the party making the claim. A claim can, however, be disproven by identifying: insufficient or absence of evidence, faulty reasoning, and/or the presence of logical fallacies.

“And so castles made of sand, fall into the sea, eventually.” as the Jimi Hendrix song put it.

Here’s a thought…

If Tesla did develop a practical way to harvest electrical energy from the friction of the atmosphere against the earth as it rotates, why would that energy be considered “free.” Or that it would be provided free to its consumers. It would still require the building and maintenance of the harvesting plants. And transmission lines to end users. All that would require a massive amount of investment capital to roll it out on a large scale. There’s also energy lost through transmission. And since none of that is free, those costs would need to be recouped from the consumers.

Nor would it necessarily be cheaper for the consumers. Companies are under no legal obligation to pass their savings on to the customer. Tesla could have just undercut Edison and Westinghouse by a small percentage to be competitive and let it go at that.

Or in areas that hadn’t yet gotten electrified, Tesla’s company could have charged as much as its board of directors wanted subject to market demand.

Sad thing is Tesla didn’t pay much attention to the issue of energy storage. We already know how to generate significant amounts of power in any one of a dozen different ways. And a significant portion of it goes to waste in the process of transmitting it.

Truth is, our big problem is we still don’t have good way to store electrical power on a large scale. Sure, we’ve made major advances in battery and super capacitor technology. But it still isn’t enough for anything other than personal electronic devices, appliances, hand tools, and some cars. Had Tesla come up with a way to store electrical energy on a large scale (we’re talking megawatts) that discovery would have become far more than the scientific curiosities a lot of his inventions are. It would have been a gamechanger.

Tesla also had a plan for wireless transmission of electrical power, so a wired power grid would not be necessary. Good in theory and we we use inductive coupling for short distance charging all the time. Not so great to power the world though.

If Tesla did have viable ideas for low cost power production and distribution, it's extremely unlikely that no one since has come up with the same ideas. Grand inventions that would change the world would become reality. Conspiracy theories around Tesla suffer the same as every other conspiracy theory - it is impossible to keep secrets between more than a handful of people for any length of time.

 

[Wisebass]

I stood in front of the statue in his home town of Como, Italy this morning.

Enjoy!

Does everything in Italy lean one way or another?

Nah! Italy has both kinds! Flats...

and rounds!

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Wise(b)ass

 

[Wyrdlow]

What if I had intellectual property which moved cars around without petrol electricity or hydrogen cells?

My guess is you'd - ahem - "commit suicide".

 

[fdeck]

Tesla also had a plan for wireless transmission of electrical power, so a wired power grid would not be necessary. Good in theory and we we use inductive coupling for short distance charging all the time. Not so great to power the world though.

If Tesla did have viable ideas for low cost power production and distribution, it's extremely unlikely that no one since has come up with the same ideas. Grand inventions that would change the world would become reality. Conspiracy theories around Tesla suffer the same as every other conspiracy theory - it is impossible to keep secrets between more than a handful of people for any length of time.

People have in fact come up with many similar ideas. The main problem is that they're all perpetual motion machines.