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Perception - Negotiating Gigs

mellowinman

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Oct 19, 2011
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Realistic Scenario:

Club Owner: Yes, this is John Johnson, of Johnson's Good Time Bar. How can I help you?

Musician: Hi, this is Bob Bobson of the Bobs. The Bobs are a Classic/Rock dance band, who have played the area for three years. We have a decent sized following, including a website and a face book page. We charge $400.00 for a full night, playing four sets of music with three fifteen minute breaks. We prefer Saturday nights, as many of our followers have day jobs. We have videos and sound files available on CD and DVD, and you can also access all of this on our website.

Club Owner: Here's my email. Send me a link, and I will listen to your stuff. We don't book many new bands, as we already have plenty of popular bands bringing in business, but we will check you out. Get back with me in three weeks.

Musician: Thanks, I will do this. Good talking to you!

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How Some Club Owners Think I Sound

Club Owner: Yes, this is John Johnson, of Johnson's Good Time Bar. How can I help you?

Musician: I say, my good man. I am very proud to announce that I am Bob Bobson, of the Bobs. The Bobs have taken music to a new level of artistry and entertainment value, and I assure you that your customers have never imbibed refreshments to a band of this quality, in fact, never before in the history of civilization has anyone been as fortunate as you were to get this phone call, right now. Women sigh, and men faint at the very sight of us, and that's before we even start playing. You would have to be some kind of moronic, hick idiot to have not already heard of us, and considered doling out the incredibly paltry sum of a mere $400.00 for us to make our magic in your decidedly inferior establishment.

Bar Owner: I doubt very much you're as good as all that, and there is no chance we will ever hire you.

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How Some Club Owners Sound to Me:

Club Owner: Me havv clubb! Me havv best clubb in all of whole world!!! You want play here? You bring hundreds, no! Thousands of paying cutsomers, buy lots of booze and tip well! Iff you new, you play SUNDAY MORNING from 11-2, and bring own PA and patrons! NO PAY except small percentage of door! You make us minimum TEN MILLION DOLLARS or we make sure you NO WORK IN TOWN AGAIN.

Musician: We don't actually work for door, and Sunday mornings would be hard for us to arrange.

Club Owner: What you called? The Bobs? I tell you now, Bobs no play here! Never play here! This best club ever built. Bands call from far away as Sweden and New Guinea just to hear me tell them no. Next weekend, we have Aerosmith and Cheap Trick, and we make THEM play for door, too! They get Saturday night, though, cuz they havv good track record, or used to.
 
Funny but the Orientals in Denver own liquor stores and motels, not dance clubs.

The first scenario is realistic except that they either will want to you to play for $150 or for free if they'll host a CD release party for that CD you have yet to mix and release because you keep playing for free and can't afford to finish it.

Funny thing is we once had a guitarist who approached booking a lot like your #2 scenario and he didn't last long. His idea of a good booking was wherever they'd give him two pitchers of beer per set and allow him to stick his lit cigarettes in his headstock and say F%$K over the mic as many times a night as he wanted. You could say he cramped our style a bit.

Thanks for posting this. I've been booking bands for over 30 years and I got a kick out of it. Parts hit unerringly close to home, LOL.
 
My drummer was actually told by a club owner that he only hires bands from that town. My drummer explained that we had actually been playing in the area for years and have a following, even though none of us actually live there.

We booked our band someplace us local.
 
LiquidMidnight said:
My drummer was actually told by a club owner that he only hires bands from that town. My drummer explained that we had actually been playing in the area for years and have a following, even though none of us actually live there.

We booked our band someplace us local.

I would have said;

Ok, but I thought you hired bands that will increase your alcohol sales. But you might have a different business strategy and model.

Good day.

Blue
 
We were told on a gig, after each set and after tear down that we were the best band to ever come into the venue, by the patrons, wait staff and management. Volume was great, mix was great (tough room for vol and mix), performance was way better than expected (first time there). We were told we played songs no other band would attempt.

Then, the very next thing out of the club manager's mouth was: Sorry we can't book you anymore. The owner's friend has a band and they want the Saturday night slot (we only played Saturdays, careers and families are tough to schedule around). We asked about just a monthly deal or whenever that group can't make it. We were playing all around town, so the more venues, the better. He said no.

Fast forward a few weeks, and I go and check out this "friend of the owner" band. I have to say, not good at all. Not prepared, didn't have the equipment to put on a professional level show. After the first set I was walking out to smoke. I met their bass player out there. He recognized me and gave my group some accolades. I humbly accepted them and gave him some of the same, not to be rude. He asked when we were going to play there again. I told him the story. He said, and I quote: "What?!? You're the best band to ever play here"

Sometime owners do not make business decisions based on solid business models. Live and learn.