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Phil Lesh, from Meyer Labs to Eden

The Dead (formally The Greatfull Dead) at the Shoreline last night. The excitement from 'the community' at the bands emergence from death, near death, royalties, and Bobby, was well worth being there even for the shallow fan that I am.

Regardless of all that baggage Phil Lesh has always been a huge point of interest. I'm especially taken by Bass playing with a pick, something I'm more than horrible at. Aside from the pick I've admired Phil's stage tone from day one, and in stereo later on. For me his tone reached phenomenal quality last year (or was it the year before) at a Phil & Friends show at the Greek Theater UC Berkeley. Using Eden electronics and a couple of Meyer Sound Labs 2-18" and a 12"+ high frequency horn. Effortless low B fundamental blending richly up the Modulus' fingerboard at an outside venue void of boundary effect, room loading, and forgiving of the inability of many of todays sound reinforcement personal to provide quality sound beyond their own seat. In short a nice show.

The new Lesh, new instrument, and new cabinets, playing those familiar community favorites. An interesting all black instrument with a Prince like upper horn that is at least a foot long. A body shape so radical it needs a squared off portion pass the bridge just to stand up in a stand. Now using four 4-10" Eden cabinets that low B fundamental has vanished. On the other hand the tone in second position on up has better clarity.

As a connoisseur of the fundamental below 40Hz I'm saddened by this change. All was not lost last night as my low frequency jones was filled by none other than Mickey Hart. That once boring drum solo now comes with choreographed Polynesian flame dancers and Mickey's collection of exotic drums took the reinforcement system seemingly to it's limit. A true audiofest of the first order with low distortion and very high SPL. Nobody left the drum solo for the first time in my long memory with the Dead. Not only that but the applause for the solo was only bested by the round at the end of the show.

All in all it's been my contention that every non California native be required to attend at least one Dead show to simply smile a lot and chill the puck out.
 
Just saw the Dead at The Gorge. Fantastic show but I also thought the super low end was missing from Phil's sound. I knew that he had gone to the 410 Eden setup but was hoping that the slack would be picked through the PA. Definitely not the case. Instead of trying to steady my feet after being hit by a low B bomb, I found myself straining to to hear a quickly decaying low note. There was crystal clarity at mid-range but I never recall that being a problem in the past when he was running thru the Meyers. Bring back the bombs Phil!
All that being said, the guy could play through a Pignose and I'd still be there listening and lovin' it.
 
Didn't see any of the current tour but did listen to a soundboard of the 5/10 Shoreline show and was also noticing, and missing, the lack of any real low end coming from the bass. I haven't seen Phil play live since he dumped the Modulus Quantum bass in favor of the Ritter Jupiter. He has at least two, one named "The Eye of Horus" that has a black glossy piano finish, and a newer one with a black matte finish that he was using on the latest tour. I have always loved Phil's playing and am sorry if this offends any Ritter fans but I think this is one of the most hideous looking instrument designs I have ever seen. Yes it is incredibly modern with some sexy curves but the design also looks forced and unnatural to me. The squared off section at the base of the instrument (called the Soundfin string attachment) is not there so that it will sit on a stand, it is there so the strings can be attached to the bass. Because the neck is set the way it is and the body is shaped the way it is the bridge sits so far back on the body that there isn't enough room to attach the strings behind the bridge without extending the body with the square section. The visual effect of the Soundfin to me destroys the lines of the sexy body shape, the fin looks grafted on. The body also has to be extended with the huge upper horn so that it will balance properly, once again I see this as a function of the limitations imposed by the basic body shape and another element that kills the visual look of the bass for me. The string extender makes the bass look like you could use it as a shovel. The whole bass is just way to big and obtrusive looking and so far while I like the definition and tonal shape that he gets on the higher strings to my ears the low end is definitely lacking. Phil's hearing has been shot for years, when I first met him 10 years ago I had to repeat every thing I said to him (I have similar problems with my hearing). He used to play with the rear pickup of the Modulus and I think the thinner tone of the rear pickup made it easier for him to hear pitch on stage, the Meyer cabs have such an amazing low end that his bass sound was still full in the lower octaves while using the rear pickup. I read somewhere that (drummer) John Molo convinced Phil to try using stock Eden 4x10 cabs, Phil probably likes the punch and definition of a conventional bass cab and he can most likely hear enough of the lower octaves coming out of the house that he no longer felt he needed 18" speakers on stage. On a positive note...Phil is still playing amazingly well and I am always blown away by his energy, stamina and the big smile on his face when he performs these days. We should give thanks that it is still possible to go out and hear him play live regardless of his choice of instrument and amplification.
 
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Maybe the sound man got sick of fighting the net low-end phasing cancellations due to PL's monster rig, it went to arbitration, and the sound man won (as he should). Bass wavelengths vs relative cab placements (BG cabs relative to mains) etc. etc. etc., same old story but many people in the business will give you the ten-thousand-mile stare when you start talking to them about this stuff.