Double Bass Piazzolla notation question

[basscleff94010]

This marking, with the up-slash, shows up in Piazzolla's "Fuga y Misterio" and I am unsure how to interpret it. (My apologies if this has already been answered but I couldn't find in on the forums.)

 

[bass player 53]

It is a Bartok pizzicato, or snap pizzicato.
It is very percussive; you pick up the string and let it snap back to make a drum like
snap sound.

This orchestra seems to ignore that precise notation. You should probably too.

 

[Don Kasper]

It appears to be an ARCO related marking, as seen in the performance below (this is approx. where the OP's sheet music excerpt begins.)
It is NOT a Bartok Pizz indication, based on the YT performance below.

I hope some of the Orchestral Heavyweights will chime in and clarify&confirm.
Thx.

 

[Don Kasper]

This is the common Bartok Pizz notational symbol:

 

[fdeck]

Seems like the electric players should be using this kind of notation.

 

[bass player 53]

This is the common Bartok Pizz notational symbol:
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Ok, more ‘authentic’ orchestral arrangements of this piece look different than the OP’s version. This was originally an opera, and probably looked different than everything else.

 

[basscleff94010]

Thanks for all your suggestions. It seems I have an arrangement that is very different from the original publish piece. I'll wait until I am in rehearsal to get the conductor's guidance on this. Thanks again.

 

[slappahdabass]

Definitely, absolutely not a Bartok pizz notation. This is a small gliss up to the pitch.

 

[bass player 53]

I’m glad to see that there are so many authorities on Bartok here on TB.
I looked at what seems to be original manuscripts of a string quartet. There are a few examples of circles above certain notes. I don’t see slanting lines, but maybe other’s eyesight is better than mine. Obviously, arrangers and publishers are taking ‘liberties’ with the printed music and notation.
Regarding the OP’s question, this appears at this point to be a dead end regarding authentic notation.

 

[slappahdabass]

I’m glad to see that there are so many authorities on Bartok here on TB.
I looked at what seems to be original manuscripts of a string quartet. There are a few examples of circles above certain notes. I don’t see slanting lines, but maybe other’s eyesight is better than mine. Obviously, arrangers and publishers are taking ‘liberties’ with the printed music and notation.
Regarding the OP’s question, this appears at this point to be a dead end regarding authentic notation.

Apologies if the shortness of my response was frustrating, but the question was never about the authenticity of the arrangement or the original intentions of Piazzola. The marking in the original post is a glissando marking, and the Bartok pizz marking is established and widespread and also not present.

 

[bass player 53]

Apologies if the shortness of my response was frustrating, but the question was never about the authenticity of the arrangement or the original intentions of Piazzola. The marking in the original post is a glissando marking, and the Bartok pizz marking is established and widespread and also not present.

No apologies necessary. The two composers, Piazzola and Bartok were of the people, ie, composed melodies and music that reflected the ‘folk’ nature of their cultures. It difficult to notate the sound. Chopin is another great example.
I think we’re all good. Hopefully, the OP finds the answer with his music director.

 

[Leif Dering]

I'd interpret his as a small glissando, and I'd probably do it up the A string.

 

[PaulCannon]

I may not be a Bartok expert, but I am a Bartok pizzicato expert.

Here’s how Bartok’s publisher notated the effect in his 4th string quartet (published 1929):

That’s been the standard notation for a snap pizzicato ever since.

As for OP’s question: it’s certainly a quick glissando into the note. Rather poorly engraved, I have to say.

 

[bass player 53]

I may not be a Bartok expert, but I am a Bartok pizzicato expert.

Here’s how Bartok’s publisher notated the effect in his 4th string quartet (published 1929):

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That’s been the standard notation for a snap pizzicato ever since.

As for OP’s question: it’s certainly a quick glissando into the note. Rather poorly engraved, I have to say.

Thank-you. That looks like the string quartet manuscript.

 

[Michal Herman]

I play in the tango orchestra
For me it looks like slide up to the note. Typical tango bass technique, especially on strong beats - 1 and/or 3.
Lenght of a slide is up to performer and conductor, but usually I try to do at least major third.

 

[basscleff94010]

Thank you. I just performed this piece and that is what the conductor requested. It sounds rather rough and that was the intention.