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Playing Bass for Church

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And there's nothing wrong with root notes - they're vital. You'll find that a lot of the Hillsong material on CD is root note-based. The basslines aren't overly complicated except when they decide to throw in a solo - we often end up doing 'The Time Has Come' when I'm on bass. :eyebrow:

That is what I heard from this specific song/performance. It leaves a lot of space with an occasional stab by the guitar. To "spice it up" especially with little rehearsal time to de-conflict the different parts little more then the octave jumps that kunji09 is already doing may overpower things.

Maybe that jazzy, bluesy sound of a pickup note a half step above or below the new chord. and maybe the basic triad or root 5th during an instrumental break. But only if the band is really building energy at that point.
 
This is a good base.

Other things to add that I've found from both leading worship from an acoustic guitar and playing bass.

I've found that 4ths add a nice contrast when playing along with suspended chords.

2nds and 6ths add a nice touch to sus2 or 2 (C2 for example) Chords.

Though I must admit I tend to shy away from playing the 3rds unless it's in a run or passing tone, but I think that's just my preference.

Overall the most important thing to do is just listen. Listen to the other musicians in your band and play off them. Listen to other bands for ideas and style. Listen and ask the Worship Leader for suggestions.

You said:

That'll get the job done. The 8 note is the root note one octave higher. So playing R-R-8-8 and changing roots as the chord progression moves to new chords is a start. When that gets easy add the 5, (R-5-8-5) for a little more interest (look where the 5 is, yep right below the 8). Now that will play a lot of bass, probably take you where you want for the next year.

When that gets easy throw in the correct 3 (R-3-5-8) for major chords (C) or b3 (R-b3-5-8) for minor chords (Cm). You get the b3 by moving back toward the nut (tuning knobs) one fret - a #5 would be telling you to move one fret toward the sound hole. You'll need to look at this for the light bulb to come on. Chord Formulas

Take it one step at a time you eat this elephant one bite at a time. See if the keys will have the chord names, is he playing from fake chord or basic piano sheet music. If piano sheet music, I bet he could tell you what chords are being played and when in the song. With out that - good luck. You gotta know that to change chords when the song moves on to new chords.

Here is a plate full of stuff that may help. Eat as much as you need to satisfy your hunger, but, not enough to make you sick.

Take the box pattern and place the root note (name of the chord / name of the scale) on your fretboard and the intervals of that pattern are always in the same place - on your fretboard. So if you want something else besides the root note, like R-3-5-3 you can find where those notes are.
bass-guitar-notes.jpg

Bass Patterns based upon the Major Scale box.

Code:
Major Scale Box. 

G|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D|---6---|-------|---7---|---8---|
A|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string

Place the root (R) on the C note 4th string 8th fret and the C major scale await you.
Place the root (R) on the C note and play the R-3-5 and you have just played the notes of the C major chord aka C arpeggio. Chord progression for this song is G-C-D. Place your box root on a G on the 3rd string. Where is your C? Where is the D? The next song's progression is C-F-G. Place your box root on a C on the 3rd string. Where is your F? Where is your G? Yep, piece of cake.

The rest of the story - more than you need right now, but good information to have. Think of it as stuff in the freezer that you could get if you need it.

Basic Chords
Major Triad = R-3-5
Minor Triad = R-b3-5
Diminished Chord = R-b3-b5

7th Chords
Maj7 = R-3-5-7
Minor 7 = R-b3-5-b7
Dominant 7 = R-3-5-b7
½ diminished = R-b3-b5-b7
Full diminished = R-b3-b5-bb7 Harmonic minor and melodic minor will use the full bb7

Scales
Major Pentatonic = R-2-3-5-6
Minor Pentatonic = R-b3-4-5-b7
Blues = R-b3-4-b5-5-b7
Major Scale = R-2-3-4-5-6-7
Natural Minor Scale = R-2-b3-4-5-b6-b7
Harmonic Minor Scale = R-2-b3-4-5-b6-7
Melodic Minor Scale = R-2-b3-4-5-6-7



Have fun.
 
Gospel = Zero Charts, graphs, Pie Charts, etc...get good ears.

Listen to the lead singer. Almost always they will 'point' you to the next chord with their voice.
Be ready change on the fly and expect ALWAYS to NOT play it like the recording or even in the same key.
Sister Purify might not be there and she was supposed to sing lead in 'F' but no Betty Mae sings it in Eb..know your stuff.

Best Advice:
Listen to other players play on the recording. Don't only see what they were doing but WHY..this way you can know how to build your own lines.

Practice-Practice-Ear Practice-Practice
 
So say we were doing Moving Forward.

Chorus
A2 Em7
I'm not going back, I'm moving ahead.
A2 B 7sus4 Em7
I'm here to declare to you my past is over.
A2 Em7
In You all things are made new. Surrendered
A2 Em7
My Life to Christ. I'm Moving, Moving Forward.
D E11 D
Fm7 E
oh oh oh....

Verse
A2 Em7
You have risen with all power in Your hand.
A2 Em7
You have given me a second chance.
A2 Em7
Hallelujah, hallelujah!
B 7sus4 B 7sus4 Gmaj
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B 7sus4 B 7sus4 Gmaj
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bridge
My Life to Christ. I'm Moving, Moving Forward.
D E11 D
You make all Things new.
D E11 D
Yes, you make all things new and
D E11 D A E
I will Follow You forward. (4x)


The goal is to move from this
Solo Acoustic

To This
Unplugged

To the ultimate going beyond the root:
I just used this thread to post this somewhere:ninja:
 
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Very often, we will choose a song and play it at practice and whomever chose the song provides a chart, but most often I will go to UltimateGuitar.com or a similar site and copy and paste the lyrics and chords to Word and rework it as necessary. Sometimes I'll just print it and write out the roadmap of intro verse chorus bridge orders and sometimes just copy and paste each and every V and C and bridge and break into a 2 page max format as I go. Most often I will have to transpose the chords to compensate for the dreaded CAPO. We just got a keyboard player with us so he will usually share my charts although he has the capability to capo his keyboard like the guitars. We have started to have one guitar capo and the other to play the real chords to get the difference in their voices. We do quite a few originals so I end up doing the song sheets for those. Also, with UltimateGuitar you can transpose the chords as needed before printing or copy and pasting the song. I also play worship weekly with 5 or 6 rotating worship leaders that often do the same songs in different keys depending on their voice range so I have to transpose multiple versions some times. I will also edit in bass notes into the chords as I find them just as a reminder and help to others to interact with what I'm doing.
Be blessed!!
Kevin
 
Love this site!! You guys are awesome!

Im going to subscribe to this thread because Im practically in the same boat as Kunji as far as" thrown to the wolves" when it comes to bass playing.we only hqve lyric sheets (that I am the one usually making) and I end up writing my own music or variation of it. Most times like Kunji, I just follow the chords of the piano player...but some of the websites posted here are a big help as well as the advice given. Slaerts has also given me excellent advice...thank you guys!

btw how do I join the various clubs posted in ya'lls signitures?
 
Love this site!! You guys are awesome!

Im going to subscribe to this thread because Im practically in the same boat as Kunji as far as" thrown to the wolves" when it comes to bass playing.we only hqve lyric sheets (that I am the one usually making) and I end up writing my own music or variation of it. Most times like Kunji, I just follow the chords of the piano player...but some of the websites posted here are a big help as well as the advice given. Slaerts has also given me excellent advice...thank you guys!

btw how do I join the various clubs posted in ya'lls signitures?

To join the club, pop over here and introduce yourself!

I'd say a massive skill in playing in church is to learn to play by ear. Try playing along with recordings of the songs you do in church (or any toher songs really) - you'll get to redognise the chord progressions and your fingers will start to be able to anticipate where to go next in a song.
 
this is crazy yall! so much good stuff! thanks diehard70 for the examples, really gives me an idea of what i gotta get to. Yea, slowly learning to listen by ear, and know keys and chord changes, working my way there! all this will help 3/4 of the time! the other 1/4 is indian songs we sing and those can get pretty crazy to play to. but tons of fun! thanks again!
 
This is all good stuff!! The patterns will teach you so much......and knowing the notes as well. So many songs are scale pattern driven that when you learn your patterns you will find the chord progressions very easily.
Songs like David Crowder's Only You Lord is an easy example in C where you play R 7 6 4 and repeat. There are hundreds of songs that pull from that formula and run. Some more complex, like Kari Jobe's Healer or some will throw in some Chromatics like her Beautiful. Find the key to a song and unlock the treasure to be found within, grasshopper! Get on Ultimate _guitar.com and check out the chords and you will see the patterns in almost all songs out there. Be Blessed!!
 
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Also, the slash chords rule!! I will very often copy and paste from U_G.com to word and print out the song and go through the roadmap format of the song....
Intro
V1
Chorus
V2
Instr.
Chorus
Chorus
Bridge
Etc.
Then I'll check the chords and add any slash chords or added bass notes to the chords that fit in. I send copies to the other members to check and comment on. We will add notes as to dynamics or other pertinent stuff during practice. We also do stuff on the fly as well so getting the basics down opens the door for flow and being led by the Spirit!
 
In my experience most slash chords are the basic chord, slash, the third. As in the previous example, B is the third of G major.

A lot of (most ..? ) songs don't have them in, not on the lead sheet anyway, but it definitely adds something to put one in now and again. eg you occasionally get the chord sequence G - D - Em, and it almost always sounds better, instead of playing the D, to play the third (which is F#). In other places I find there's no substitute for experimentation. If if sounds good, then it probably is, unless you're creating a discord with the other musicians.

Another place for slash chords is very simple songs, such as the generic African sequence:

G............................C
Takwaba uwaba nga Yesu
G............................D
Takwaba uwaba nga Ye
G............................C
Takwaba uwaba nga Yesu
G..............D.........G
Takwaba uwaba kabe

to which we can play:

G...........D..G...........C.....G.....C
Takwaba uwaba nga Yesu
G...........D..G......A...D....A....D
Takwaba uwaba nga Ye
G.......................B...C.....C#
Takwaba uwaba nga Yesu
D...............D........G
Takwaba uwaba kabe

or probably about a million other variations. But the G/D on the last line is the tastiest IMO :bassist:
 
My first few years playing bass at church, I had a really great progressive worship leader who improvised everything. It was basically name of the song, key, let's go. So I've been in that same boat (and I loved it!!!)

My advice to you is to find the songs you play at church online. Try to learn the bass line by ear. Figure out what key the song is in, and what notes the bass player chose and why. This will help you understand the context of the bass line in the song.

Later on, as you ear and music theory develops further along, you can move that bass line to different keys. Then you can just copy the bass line note for note or do something a bit different.

But what's important is that you understand HOW the bass player came up with that line.

Don't get frustrated either. I've been playing for a while and just got out of the root playing myself. It takes a minute, but you'll get it.

Good luck!
 
I've been in the scene for years.. everythijng from garage bands to album quality.

My opinion.

Focus on locking with a drummer
simplify - chances are you're playing with several people
hear the intervals - probably more important than memorizing modes.
avoid open strings --- this hinders you when the song has to be altered.

CCLI (for contemporary) lists a top royalty list...

Good thing is there are really only about 60 songs in rotation.. and they change very slow.
 
Stating the obvious, music is music. Church music is just music.

You are being asked to jam along with a guitarist and improvise when you have limited skills. In one sense that's daunting but it's also an opportunity to improve your musical skills.

So, go looking for bass method books and teach yourself or take lessons with a teacher. Maybe others who learned comparatively recently can recommend specific books. I can't, I learned too long ago.

Also something like this may help your personal practice:

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Get the book, play along with the CD.

Good luck. It's a good thing you are doing.