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Double Bass Polytone

Which Polytone do people use for bass? A buddy of mine is looking to unload one that (I think) has a 15" speaker but I'm not sure if it'll handle bass (he's a guitar player). I tried calling Polytone several times but all I got was a machine and they never call back. Thanks.

Marc, It'll handle bass just fine. The classic Polytone combo for DB is the Mini Brute III. It had the 15" speaker. Guitarists usually like the model w/ spring reverb added (the Mini Brute IV, I think). These work fine for bass if you leave the reverb off, ofcourse. The model w/ the 12" (MB II?) speaker can be OK for bass at lower volumes, but the 15" is warmer and louder.

I own two diff. Polytones both w/ 15" speakers. One Mini-Brutte III that I purchased new in '83 and the Sonic Bass I Link Removed

that I bought new in '04 (for alot less than listed here). This model replaced the Mini-Brute III and has added power and a tweeter (curiously not mentioned in the description) plus the alternate Sonic Circuit w/ a diff. pre and eqing controls.

Many people knock them for not being "hi-fi" enough compared to more modern amps of more recent technology.
Well, I've owned and used many diff amps and I have to say they're really pretty good. They're very convenient, portable and at low to medium volumes they are really pretty warm sounding boxes. They do what you need them to do. Hey, they were good enough for RAY BROWN for the last 25 years or so of his career.

IMHO the secrets to good sound with a Polytone are 3 fold;

1) Keep the amp flat on the floor (even on carpet). Something about the floor or stage coupling that makes them sound MUCH warmer than up on a chair or tilting them back.

2) They can get med. loud, but don't push them too hard. As w/ most amps the louder you get the more difficult it is to get a great sound. They'll start to sound blatty and could fart and clip at loud vols.

3) Don't play BG thru them unless it's at very low practice volumes. Sounds fine for BG, but my experience w/ my old Mini-Brute is that the speaker just gets chewed up faster w/ BG. I learned this the hard way and have repalced the speaker in it 2 or 3 times over twenty-ish years. They only take 4 ohm speakers and seem to work best w/ the speakers that Polytone puts in them rather than another brand.

What changed w/ my two diff models 21 years apart? Not much really.

Similar shape and size (small box for a 15"), but the Sonic Bass I has more wattage (so a tad heavier) and a switchable tweeter. Sound is similar too, but the SC I has bass, mid and treble controls (not just B and T) and a Normal, Bright and Dark switch , but also gives the choice of engaging the Sonic Circuit which has Gain, Contour, and Bass Drive controls and sounds a bit smoother in character than the regular channel. But I'm more comfortable w/ the controls of the reg channel.

Both are certainly no replacement for my AI Focus 2R III w/ EA Wizzy M-line 12, but perfect for rushed set-up/break down, plug and play situations and can sound downright outstanding in certain rooms. Also rugged and reliable. Just can't kill my old one. And I've tried.

If you can pick up an old one cheap that's in working order, I'd say why not. Great for rehearsal studios, gigs where you don't want to worry 'bout your expensive gear and for small to med sized Jazz clubs. Good luck,

BG

 
Last time Ben Allison was in town he rented a Mini-Brute IV (I think) and got a KILLER tone. The club I saw him in was med/small (Green Mill) but his sound shook the walls without sacrificing clarity.

Ofcourse he also has a Prescott ;) that he's crazy enough to fly with :eek: I've heard.
 
I had a Polytone Mini Brut IV (I like the distortion for my BG) for nearly 25 years and I played in a lot of situations with it . I changed the speaker a long time ago for a JBL (K140 IIRC) and it gives a good punchy sound. I found it very good for my DB.

Recently, I bought a WAV4 and I found that this amp, with its caracteristic sound, helps me to have a sound similar to my upright bass. These days, I have a GAS for the Markbass 121p, because it is so much lighter and I like the sound, but I'm not sure if I want to leave my good old Polytone.
 
I was at that green mill show as well, before I moved here (traveled from NE MO for it). I was blown away by Ben's sound. I thought the polytone sounded great that night . . . I thought it was a minibrute III. At any rate, I love polytones for bass . . . used/tried them for awhile before landing my AI. I think it would be used in similar situations as your GK though . . . different sounds, but similar volume output (IMO).
 
I have a Mini Brut III and still like it, despite its aged technology. I always use it with an external 10-band equalizer to adjust for different rooms.

+1 on all preceding posts. I will only add that when I need to play loudly or use BG, I use the Polytone as a preamp and onstage monitor (turned down, pointed towards me and the drums), then point the Eden Traveller and the 4 x 10 cab toward the house, in front of me, for the heavy lifting.

Keeps me from frying the speaker on the Polytone, avoids the clipping/farting, avoids feedback issues, and lets the drummer (and me) hear the bass onstage...
 
The only reason why I'd get it is because my friend will sell it to me for very cheap. The funny thing is he used it at rehearsal last night with his rock band and did some stereo thing with his fender twin and a stereo chorus/delay stomp box and now he is having second thoughts.

Ya think bass players are bad when it comes to GAS...

btw I'm not sure if Ben had a III or IV. He did rent it from Andy's here in Chicago and the IV is more common because guitar players like it from what I understand. From what bribass says it is the same amp except for an effects channel.
 
I have both the 12 inch and the 15 inch Minibrutes (I think they are II and IV but I don't remember for sure and I'm not about to tramp downstairs to look). They were purchased new in '99 or '00. The 12 is ok with bass but doesn't have a lot of bottom and you have to watch your volume or you'll damage it. The 15 was my main amp for about 3 years until I bought my first AI. It can take a 'loud jazz' amount of volume, sounds great and was reasonably portable. It's a little primitive compared to AI but if AI didn't exist, I'd probably still be using the Poly.

I've gigged on slab twice in the past 5 years and both times I used the 15. It won't take rock band volume but it worked great for a small club for a jazzy pop gig.

mark
 
I use a Mini Brute III as well. Sounds great. But I have the Fishman, and the only way I think my bass sounds decent on it is to turn the treble down and the mids up just a little, and the bass up to about 8. Anything else and it starts sounding tinny. I just think I need a better pickup.

Nick
 
The only reason why I'd get it is because my friend will sell it to me for very cheap.

Marc,

I had a IV back in the late 70's and it failed on me on three gigs before I took the hint and trashed it. I tore out the amp and used it as a cabinet for a while with a JBL, but basically, it sounded ok but was a piece of crap quality wise. In the same league as the AMC Pacer I used to drive it around in... I heard a guitarist play out of one a couple of weeks ago and it had that boxy old tone I remember. Maybe mine was a lemon and not the typical experience, but I'd avoid it.

I think a lot of the sound we heard Ben Allison get at the Green Mill was due to the mic send to the PA, not the mini brute.
 
I have a Mini Brute II (12"). I get a good sound running my BassMax to a preamp into the preamp input. All other combinations with and without a preamp into the low gain and hi gain inputs sound brittle. I get the urge to upgrade once in a while but it's okay for now. I played in church today and it had just enough power. Has anyone used the Polytone extension cabs? I have a hard time spending money on old technology but I don't see the point in buying a whole new rig for more volume.