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Presonus QMix

gnjpowell

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Nov 12, 2010
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Concord, NH
www.pfasound.com
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Bass & guitar tech, FOH sound, backline rentals
Anyone using Presonus QMix to allow the artists to adjust their own personal monitor mixes from the stage in realtime using their personal ipods, phones or tablets? We just started to support this at our church and it is just fantastic!
 
I haven't used this, but the whole idea of it seems incredible. I mix FOH and in-ears for a cover band, and some mixing locations are less than ideal. The idea of everyone getting to mix their own mix, and then me mixing from anywhere in the room seems great. My only concern is, is it stable enough?
 
I use the iPad version to run my personal monitor. So far, it has worked pretty flawlessly. I've checked it the iPhone version, but the iPad app has lots more features. It looks like there are a few other companies taking advantage of this technology as well.
 
Church just got the 24 channel presonus. I'm using the planning center app on the ipad for music and the qmix on my phone for my own monitor mix. The sound guy is doing the house mix from his ipad.

Our mixer is up in "the crow's nest". Apparently it was trendy in the 80's to put the sound booth up high in the back of the room. Of course, it sounds completely different up there than it does on the floor. Now the sound guy can sit anywhere and run the board. Really cool.

There was a problem at first. Some ipads and phones wouldn't work right. But they did a firmware upgrade and software upgrade on the computer and now it works.
 
yeah, but when it starts squealing, he'll have nobody to blame but himself.

(you're right though, with hot wedges it's kinda like giving a chimp a loaded revolver.)
 
We use the 24.4.2 at our church and another 24.4.2 at our school, I run sound for both. After using QMIX at church for a few weeks it has proven 100% solid, reliable and stable. Another church we sometime play at has dual 24.4.2s but they don't use QMix yet. The StudioLive product is simply amazing !!!
 
peresones is a nice mixer I have mixed on on them once they have a nice set up its great each channel has its on EQ,s and the monters also what can hep you is that peresones has done lots of vidoes on thie mixer though youtube this may help you ...
 
But the audience will think it's the mixperson's fault. And some of the band members might not grasp who's fault it is either.

...it's kinda like giving a chimp a loaded revolver.

The same idiot who has to turn his amp up loud to get "his tone" or to "feel it" will probably want to keep turning his monitor up.

Jeez, do you guys play in bands with morons? These kinds of things can be worked out among reasonable, moderately intelligent people.
 
The Qmix is excellent as is the iPad app. We have gone to running sound from on-stage with a 16.4.2 and all five of us are either on iPads or i Phones for our own IEM mixes.

And yes, 95% of the guys on this forum play with morons. Some of the threads and the responses in almost all of the forum categories let alone this one, are extremely inexperienced and/or sorely misinformed. I don't think of that 95% mean to be idiots, it just works out that way due to reading too many blogs and listening to the wrong guys at the music stores and bars. I don't really know where some of these guys get their ideas, but some are severely twisted. But I guess if you think you'll sound "balls to the walls" plugging your HiZ mic into your bass amp, then there are just that many more places that would prefer to hear my band. Thinnin' the herd!

That said, there are also a great deal of very bright guys posting in the live threads and they do their darnedest to help those guys out in any way possible. I know the more learned of us don't always agree either. But I hope we respect the other's guy's slant on things, and try to digest a little of that into how we do things. Altho in another thread, the advice to use denture adhesive to hold a loose custom molded IEM in place was kinda wacky, the OP actually tried it and did say it worked. So I have to admit, we can all learn something from almost anybody if we open our minds.

I do agree that giving these tools (iPad, iPhone, Ipod Touch's) to guys using wedges is not a great idea. We had to lock our drummer out because he would pull his plugs and start turning up the mains because "buddies" in the crowd were telling him they couldn't hear our female lead. A more knowledgeable conclusion would have realized she sang at 1/3 level on back ground work she wasn't real confident on, and full tilt on her lead work. By the end of the night, my buddies (who are pro sound guys) came up to tell me our voices were parting hair in the back of the room.

The entire idea of getting the SL mixer was to get a great house sound and keep our hands off the channel faders and masters. The we only have ourselves to blame if our IEM mixes bit the big one. This allowed me to be a bassist and lead singer as opposed to being a bassist and lead singer and sound man. When I play, I play. When I mix, I mix. It's not a matter of can I do it, I can. It was a case of, "f*ckdat, I just came to play".

TimmyP is also very on the nose with why you shouldn't allow dimwit band mates to control their own wedges. The FOH will get blamed, the buyers will get annoyed as do the patrons. So to keep everyone safe and sound, unless you don't play with morons, don't give them access to the wedges. You can lock everyone out of the network and/or other's monitor's now. My rhythm player means real well, but until the lock out featured arrived, he would constantly grab my mix when trying to turn his guitar up in his ears.

As a heads up, Soundcraft should be rolling out a Crown IQ based app for iPad in the very near future that will go with their SiCompact series of boards. These are really better sounding consoles and easier to navigate for those not into the digital mixing world yet. They're much more $$ than the Presonus consoles, so unless you are looking for re-callable gains and flying faders (which is very nice), you can stick with the Presonus and use the rest of your lunch money on a new MTD. But for those that mix for multiple groups, I'm staying with the Presonus. I can't even bring myself to sell an analog board to anyone anymore. The feature set of a 24.4.2 trashes what a comparably priced analog board can do.

And to the OP, you bet Qmix rocks. Can't hardly believe that coming up from the days of Shure Vocal Masters and Voice of the Theaters to living in a world with a Presonus is further than I ever thought it would get.
 
and to be fair, there are plenty of intelligent, talented and cooperative musicians who have no idea about the mechanics of massaging more gain-before-feedback out of a wedge, and so it would still be like handing a chimp a loaded revolver.
 
Twice in the second service (more traditional) the sound guy forgot to unmute the bass. He wasn't anywhere I could communicate with him so I just didn't play.

I mentioned it to the WL and he gave my ipad full access.

Mwaaaahhahahahhhhahhahh.....

(that's supposed to be an evil maniacal laugh, but maybe it should be wild chimp laughter. ooh ooh ah ah)
 
Has anyone heard about additional functionality that would allow the iphone or ipad to not only work as the controller but also the monitor? How great would it be to mix your signal, plug in your headphones, drop your iphone in your pocket, and have everything self-contained? As someone in the market to upgrade our church's sound system, this would be a huge benefit!

Anywho, just checking to see if anyone had heard of or knows if that is a possibility in the future.
 
Presonus is working on it. There is a latency issue they are attempting to address. I wouldn't bet on it soon but it is definitely on their radar.

Personally I'm wrapping my head around the new SMAART RTA stuff they just released in VSL 1.6