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QIN???...C'MON

#24
colcifer said:
Should we spell and pronounce YOUR name however the heck we want? Or would that be disrespectful and potentially confusing?
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well...you can have a go...

as far as PRONOUNCING... i was not aware that this discussion was in any way about that...i was talking about spelling, but if your take was different...carry on.

potentially confusing?...i would say the great thinkers of this QIN thing have already taken care of that.

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#25
Militarily and economically they literally hold all the cards..... on the planet. They can name themselves whatever they want and spell it however they want. The rest of the world will go along to get along.
 
#26
two fingers said:
Militarily and economically they literally hold all the cards..... on the planet. They can name themselves whatever they want and spell it however they want. The rest of the world will go along to get along.
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I don't know where you get that idea. With China, we're in a state of economic Mutually Assured Destruction. They need us to buy their stuff just as much as we need their cheap stuff. Without the flow of money from the US, they'd dry up economically.
 
#28
Many people in the US still say "EYE-talian" for Italian. It's a fairly hideous mispronunciation.

Texans celebrate "San JUH-cinto Day" when every living person in the state knows that's not how to pronounce Jacinto. I have my own opinion of how this came about, but I won't share it here.

I doubt that what the Chinese desire in terms of spelling or pronunciation of their country will make much of a dent in American culture or behavior in the near future.
 
#30
It seems that the english language has its own examples of strange possibilities to pronounce words.

How do you pronounce this word: Ghoti

Answers:

1. Fish. It comprises these phonemes:

gh, pronounced /f/ as in tough
o, pronounced /ɪ/ as in women
ti, pronounced /ʃ/ as in nation

2. There is no pronunciation because the word is silent:

gh as in though
o as in people
t as in ballet
i as in business

Language is fun.
 
#32
We mispronounce Chinese sounds as well as misrepresent Chinese sounds in spelling, which compounds the problem.

We do it wrong because the first westerners there got it wrong. Pretty common throughout history. Not something to get mad about.

Okay, Dave, you want me to call you David, Dawid, Dawit, Daud, Daut, Dawud, Davit, Dabit, Dafydd, or Dowiss?
 
#36
FourBanger said:
We mispronounce Chinese sounds as well as misrepresent Chinese sounds in spelling, which compounds the problem.

We do it wrong because the first westerners there got it wrong. Pretty common throughout history. Not something to get mad about.

Okay, Dave, you want me to call you David, Dawid, Dawit, Daud, Daut, Dawud, Davit, Dabit, Dafydd, or Dowiss?
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call me any of those things, as long as you don't call me late for dinner...:D

HOWEVER...if you are looking to be correct...call me none of those things, cause my name aint "David"...or maybe Dowiss would be closest, because my actual name is Davis...

but, since you all seem to have missed the point...

which was...the chinese were trying to westernize the spelling of their name, and not using a western alphabet, adopted ours, so they did what...adopted letters to spell that name that don't remotely make the sound they were trying to westernize....i guess, in honor of that you could spell my name...


Bnxy.... why not...i deem THAT to be the spelling of Dave from now on....:D

and, I ask to be corrected, cause you DID correct me on my gripe about Q & U, is there ANY other word, in any other language than chinese, that uses the QI to make the CHI sound...just askin', cause i think it's just arbitrary, and makes no sense...please tell me if i am wrong, and i will admit to being corrected there also.


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#37
It wasn't the Chinese doing that, it was westerners.

It happens when using such hugely different languages that rarely even have common sounds.

In Chinese my name, Robert, comes out 罗伯特, or Luōbótè using western characters, and is pronounced loosely low-bew-ta because they don't use the sound for R or end words/sounds with a hard T.

You need to bear in mind spoken chinese is in redibly complex with regard to inflection. The same syllable, when rendered in western letters, could mean four or more different words when pronounced with different inflection. Needless to say any one translation is not going to be ideal.

In most spoken Chinese dialects, the sounds we can make for chi, ki, or qi are not the correct way to start the word anyway, but approximations, so none are correct and all are correct. One version might be more correct to a native English speaker, another to a native Dutch speaker, and a third to a native Russian speaker.
 
#38
FourBanger said:
It wasn't the Chinese doing that, it was westerners.

It happens when using such hugely different languages that rarely even have common sounds.

In Chinese my name, Robert, comes out 罗伯特, or Luōbótè using western characters, and is pronounced loosely low-bew-ta because they don't use the sound for R or end words/sounds with a hard T.

In most spoken Chinese dialects, the sounds we can make for chi, ki, or qi are not the correct way to start the word anyway, but approximations, so none are correct and all are correct. One version might be more correct to a native English speaker, another to a native Dutch speaker, and a third to a native Russian speaker.
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I agree.
 

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